Forced Performance FP3150 Package Group Buy

[LaN-]

Now what is wish was possible is to run the same setup that i stated before, but a FP turbo.

So it all comes back to the FP turbo's in normal mitsu exhaust housings. Then the break down would look like this


BB FP3052 / 3150 / 3065 - 1000-1600 bucks

2g manifold - 50 bucks

2g O2 housing - 50 bucks

SS feed line - $55

Earl's inline filter - $30

pushlock oil return line - $85

The total would be relatively the same, but the quality would be far superior. This way you get the competition between vendors and FP would still have the edge by offering an optional v band exhaust housing, for those of us that really wanna make the most outta our turbo.

Now my questions is, could i take the exhaust housing off a PTE turbo and swap it onto a FP turbo. Technically the center sections are the same, so it should bolt up.

[eclipsefwd]

Who cares? Quit wasting space posting about how bad of a deal this is. If you don't like it, then move on to another thread. People will do with their money as they please.

[ThingyNess]

I should note that unlike the green and red turbos, which Forced Performance does some excellent custom work on, the BB 50 trims and GT30Rs come fully assembled from Garrett. If they sold them with a mitsu exhaust housing made by PTE or Bullseye or whatever, they'd be 100% identical to the other turbos that are already sold by a million other vendors.

You certainly *could* buy an FP3052 and put a PTE housing on it, but why wouldn't you just buy a Garrett GT30xxR that comes with the PTE housing from another vendor? It's the exact same turbocharger, down to the compressor housing and everything. FP's magic is all in the turbine housing.

[blcknspo0ln]

Whoops, sorry about the manifold, I thought it was included. Even if, with your list, it's still internally gated. Also, I would definitely like to hear about the FP swap using a garrett CHRA from a PTE (Since that's my setup now).

[LaserAWD]

Not sure if it's as simple as unbolting one turbine housing and bolting on the other but FP does sell just the FP 30 turbine housing.

[LaN-]

Originally Posted by blcknspo0ln

Whoops, sorry about the manifold, I thought it was included. Even if, with your list, it's still internally gated. Also, I would definitely like to hear about the FP swap using a garrett CHRA from a PTE (Since that's my setup now).

Who cares if its internal gated, my Green is and i don't have any problems. It also only Add's 100 dollars to the price.

[Robert@FP]

Yes, it sucks that we don't make an internal WG turbine housing because you are right when you say the external setup adds a lot to the cost of the system. But even the turbos that do have flappers often get run as external when the dust settles, boost control is just plain better with an external gate.

Thanks for all the feedback on our turbo package, I appreciate it all.

Weds August 15th will be the last day of this package group buy.

BOOST ON!
Robert Young

[LaN-]

Originally Posted by Robert@FP

Yes, it sucks that we don't make an internal WG turbine housing because you are right when you say the external setup adds a lot to the cost of the system. But even the turbos that do have flappers often get run as external when the dust settles, boost control is just plain better with an external gate.

Thanks for all the feedback on our turbo package, I appreciate it all.

Weds August 15th will be the last day of this package group buy.

BOOST ON!
Robert Young

with that said, why can't you? Its more then possible to offer the turbos with internal Wastegates.

[dwdsm]

Originally Posted by LaN-

If they had a normal mitsu housing they would have the name and rep over everyone else.

Think about it, when you think of buying a turbo charger whos the best.....FP.

In my opinion they would sell a great deal amount of turbos if it did not involve so much modification.

They would have the edge for people with the money by going with the v band housing, but at the same time for the cheaper dsm'ers they could get the normal housing.

Now it might not be possible to do this, or maybe its not cost effective, but from a consumers stand point i think it would be better.

Like i said i know a lot of people that are going to other brands because they don't want to spend the extra money. Or they are going Full t3 / 4 setups because its roughly the same price.



Robert the turbo looks bad ass and i love mine, just take what i'm saying as food for thought.

So wait. Is the hot side custom stainless like the 3052, with the efficency in mind or (volute) ??? Or is it a run of the mill 50 with a to4e cover on it? Forced performance is going to sell me the next turbo I buy but I don't understand why the price unless it has the super bad a#$ stainless hot side.

[Ludachris]

I'm not sure why you'd want the FP3150 in a Mitsu housing? The FP housing is what makes this turbo so appealing in the first place. Why dumb it down just to make it easier to bolt-on? I think the idea behind this turbo was to offer something superior than the Mitsu housing 50-trims already on the market.

[LaN-]

Originally Posted by Ludachris

I'm not sure why you'd want the FP3150 in a Mitsu housing? The FP housing is what makes this turbo so appealing in the first place. Why dumb it down just to make it easier to bolt-on? I think the idea behind this turbo was to offer something superior than the Mitsu housing 50-trims already on the market.

The name Forced Performance and the new FP housing is what makes the turbo appealing, but some of us don't feel that spending an extra 700 dollars is worth it.

Like i said before i know people that wanted the 3052 turbo, but decided to go somewhere else due to the extra expense.

I love the FP exhaust housing, but my biggest argument is why not offer the turbo in both housings? For the everyday DSM'er that wants a 50 trim they can get a normal housing, but for those of us that have the cash and really need all the extra toys can get the FP housing. There is also no reason why they can't offer both.

Think about it from a consumers stand point.

[TSiAWD666]

Well I got mine today. Sure looks purty. Interested in seeing how this whole mess performs over my old non-bb 50-trim.






Sorry for the low-res but my camera battery was dead and I used my phone's camera. The only non-standard thing I got was the 3" recirculated o2 housing with v-band clamps.

Everything was packaged REALLY well, and there are great instructions/notes on assembling the unit. Some things of note are:
1) 3" o2 housing had a dent in order to accomodate the v-band clamp for the wastegate. Notes say it's because the design was done before they used these v-bands, and so it needed a hack to get them to work with it.
2) very little bit of slag on the wastegate port into the o2 housing. I'll just dremel it out.
3) The included the opposing flange for the o2 housing v-band! doh! I wasted $30 ordering that and a clamp elsewhere

Oh, I should add I didn't get in on this group buy because of my desire to get that 3" o2 housing. I'm just posting all this for others interested in the group buy to have an idea of what you get.

[daren_p]

Originally Posted by LaN-

I love the FP exhaust housing, but my biggest argument is why not offer the turbo in both housings? For the everyday DSM'er that wants a 50 trim they can get a normal housing, but for those of us that have the cash and really need all the extra toys can get the FP housing. There is also no reason why they can't offer both.

If you look at their turbine housing, the wastegate passage would have to be completely redesigned from their current setup to accomodate an internal setup & from a sellers point of veiw I'm sure its not worth the cost to redisign the housing & the whole reason for using their housing is to get max performance out of the setup, slapping an internal gate on the housing is a step backwards. I would imagine their train of though is if someone is looking for max performance out of their setup, they are going to want to run an external WG. And like was said above if you compare your std. Mitsu bolt-on setup with an external WG, your right in the same ballpark but the FP is still a much better flowing housing. Comparing an internal setup vs an external is like comparing apples to oranges.

As for their SS turbine housing, I would imagine they use a std. Garrett 50 trim center section so their housing should bolt right on to the other turbo's out there, such as PTE, etc.

[TSiAWD666]

Found something of note with my new fp3150 and pieces. When I placed my order with Amber weeks ago, I asked about all the bolts included with the kit and she told me I would need to furnish my own for the oil drain line. She said stock bolts would work with their oil drain line and I should just order those. The reasoning behind this she said was because the item was intended for people replace their stock setup and thus they would have the bolts.

I ordered the stock bolts and last night found that the flange for the fp drain line is much too thick to use them. The threads on the bolts won't reach the housing. Fortunately I have some other bolts from my previous turbo installs laying around that were the right thread pitch. For those of you that don't make sure to keep this in mind. I don't see bolts listed in the list of parts for this group buy.

[Robert@FP]

What is the "normal" DSM housing that guys keep talking about that is able to accept GT30 and T3 CHRA? Where does it come from? It isn't a Mitsubishi part, and it isn't very reliable or simple to install GT30 or T3 chra into MHI 7cm turbine housings, which is exactly why AGP stopped the practice years ago. The Mutt turbos were also assembled this way, they went the way of the dinosaur as well.

I think what you are talking about is the PTE DSM housing, or the Bullseye DSM housing, or other similar. All of which are widely accepted as a compromise when seeking full power. Compromise, never been a big fan of it.

[LaN-]

Originally Posted by Robert@FP

What is the "normal" DSM housing that guys keep talking about that is able to accept GT30 and T3 CHRA? Where does it come from? It isn't a Mitsubishi part, and it isn't very reliable or simple to install GT30 or T3 chra into MHI 7cm turbine housings, which is exactly why AGP stopped the practice years ago. The Mutt turbos were also assembled this way, they went the way of the dinosaur as well.

I think what you are talking about is the PTE DSM housing, or the Bullseye DSM housing, or other similar. All of which are widely accepted as a compromise when seeking full power. Compromise, never been a big fan of it.

Correct i am talking about the PTE DSM housing and i understand its a compromise. My understanding is center housings in your turbos are the same as a PTE turbo, so why couldn't you use the same exhaust housing. If its not possible fine, but i am under the impression it is.

My entire argument is an attempt to make your new ball bearing turbo chargers more affordable to the average DSM'er.

You guys are all about being the best and top of the line (which you are). I just thought it would be nice to see the new BB models offered in a more affordable "bolt-on" version to compete with the PTE turbos.

The new V band housing preforms better then a normal mitsu housing, but not all of us are willing to pay the extra 600 bucks for everything else.

Think of it this way. Normal DSM'er wants a good turbo, they know FP is the best so they are willing to pay a little more (difference in turbo price alone), but since the difference is price is so big (total price) they are almost being forced to another brand.

So if it was possible to fit the new BB turbo's with internal gates and mitsu exhaust housings, i think you could do a lot more business.