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Old 11-28-2010, 12:27 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #641 (permalink)
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I have 2 17cm2 housings for the hx40. I also just picked up a 60mm 6 blade hx40 that I am trying to get rid of.



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whats the fastest spooling holset?or see full boost by?


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Here's a crappy vid from a little tuning session tonight... The temp warmed up from 25* on thanksgiving day to 45* today... So... Not as good of a vid as I wanted to show everyone, but it works...

Disregard my buddy talking... He kept on saying my car sounded like a jet airplane taking off... Hence the 0-1 niner crap... lol...

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What size h1e is this? 58 or 60mm? i have a 60mm with a 22cm t4 flange which i am told this is the largest of the h1e holsets.

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58mm H1E Comp Wheel with a t3 12cm housing and an H1C turbine wheel.

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Ok. Cant wait to see what mine will do. Looks like a good pull though. No knock. IDC is relatively low. Should have some more in it.

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Yeah man... Its got a lot more in it... Boost on that pull was only at 22ish. It dropped from 25ish with the higher temps today.

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Just wanted to update and say that I contacted BEP and they are sending me the hardware that was suppose to come with the houseing. Thanks for all of the input. Nice pull on the H1E by the way.

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Hey Andrew (project gs) wheres my credit for building you that sweet downpipe? lol
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Hey Andrew (project gs) wheres my credit for building you that sweet downpipe? lol
Oh yeah... Sweet downpipe made by 92tsiawdguy (Kyle) Great Guy and hell of a fabricator.




BTW, a 3" aluminum V-band gasket/spacer sealed up the exhaust leak at the v-band we had...

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Oh yeah... Sweet downpipe made by 92tsiawdguy (Kyle) Great Guy and hell of a fabricator.




BTW, a 3" aluminum V-band gasket/spacer sealed up the exhaust leak at the v-band we had...
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What hotside are you running with the H1E?
Looks like a T3 bolted to a T4 manifold that is drilled and tapped for both T3 and T4 foot print.

I've heard those H1E's also come in a twin scroll non-wastegated 16cm^2 T4 housing.
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Not sure what he has for a hotside. My particular h1e came with a twin scroll 22cm t4 hotside. Non wastegated of course

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Brave welding in the bay like that lol.
Well... I am courageous!

But seriously... It's not like I was migging this thing together. Kyle was there with his tig welder. So its not like we were spraying sparks everywhere... At that particular picture moment he was tacking the Vband in place. We then pulled it off and he welded it all up.



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Looks like a T3 bolted to a T4 manifold that is drilled and tapped for both T3 and T4 foot print.

I've heard those H1E's also come in a twin scroll non-wastegated 16cm^2 T4 housing.
Any word on that?
This hotside is a 12cm Twin Scroll t3 flanged. It is wastegated but welded shut.

I'm not sure what all the H1E comes in since I'm running an H1C turbine wheel and housing. I don't know for sure but I think the H1E hotside mimics the HX40 line of turbos whereas the H1C mimics the HX35. I sort of have a hybridized Holset here...

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I'm diggin' the electronic oil pressure sender located right at the head oil source for the turbo....there's NO question what pressure the turbo is seeing!


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Hi there guys

My buddy would like to have a nice fast spool setup.

what you guys think of a
hx35 56mm 7 blade , 60/70mm turbine wheel + Fp .68 turbine housing
will it be able to perform well in the circuit, and yes it runs on a built 2.0 6bolt.
It should have fast spool. He does wish to hit around 400-450whp.

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Hi there guys

My buddy would like to have a nice fast spool setup.

what you guys think of a
hx35 56mm 7 blade , 60/70mm turbine wheel + Fp .68 turbine housing
will it be able to perform well in the circuit, and yes it runs on a built 2.0 6bolt.
It should have fast spool. He does wish to hit around 400-450whp.
If 400-450whp is all that's desired, then the 8-blade HX35 will suit that perfectly.
In a bolt on housing the 8-blades spool up wicked fast.
Do some research and you will see.
There are even videos on you tube showing the ridiculously fast spool of a 8-blade hx35.

I read of someone that has done this hybrid you speak of on the DSMTalk forums.
Come to think of it, it may have been a HX40 in a FP30 Series Housing.

Regardless, if it was a good combination, we would have heard more about it.

About the only thing one gains from doing said operation is the fancy Turbine Housing/Wastegate/V-Band O2 Housing..., that's it, it's not proven, it may not work well at all and if none of the parts are in his possession, then it's at least a $1000+ experiment, if he has a healthy HX35 to run in said housing...

Tell him if he has a $400 FP30 Series housing, (that he's willing to butcher) and $250 FP V-Band O2 Housing and an external gate laying around then try it and report back.

If not, then tell him to save his $1000 to purchase the items and have the housing machined to accept the much larger HX35 turbine wheel.

There is absolutely no reason to run the FP30 series turbine housing on a HX35.
The Bullseye Power .55 A/R DSM Bolt On Housing is proven to 500whp at only 30psi.
Spool is 20+psi by 3500 rpm and that's with 272's in a 1g head with a 1g intake manifold.

If your buddy needs to buy everything to make any set-up happen, then it's all about pricing everything out and seeing which option he's willing to try.

The bolt on housing with a 8-blade is proven to produce the power he wants with ridiculous spool speeds.

The bolt on housing with a 7-blade is proven to produce 500whp at 30psi with 20+psi by 3500 rpm, and that's with 272 sized camshafts, a 1g head and intake manifold.

Then there's the best performing, most expensive and fastest spooling set-up The 7-blade HX35 in the stock 12cm^2 housing.
Weld the internal wastegate flapper shut, build a custom O2 housing, buy a T3 divided collector exhaust manifold provisioned for twin external gates and never look back.

Proven 25psi by 3500 rpm in 3rd gear.
Proven 25psi by 3100 rpm in 5th gear.

There's even a HX35 in the 10's already.
Not sure what housing it's running, but it's flying!

I'm pretty sure the best bang for the buck is the bolt on housing for the HX35, period.


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If 400-450whp is all that's desired, then the 8-blade HX35 will suit that perfectly.
In a bolt on housing the 8-blades spool up wicked fast.
Do some research and you will see.
There are even videos on you tube showing the ridiculously fast spool of a 8-blade hx35.

I read of someone that has done this hybrid you speak of on the DSMTalk forums.
Come to think of it, it may have been a HX40 in a FP30 Series Housing.

Regardless, if it was a good combination, we would have heard more about it.

About the only thing one gains from doing said operation is the fancy Turbine Housing/Wastegate/V-Band O2 Housing..., that's it, it's not proven, it may not work well at all and if none of the parts are in his possession, then it's at least a $1000+ experiment, if he has a healthy HX35 to run in said housing...

Tell him if he has a $400 FP30 Series housing, (that he's willing to butcher) and $250 FP V-Band O2 Housing and an external gate laying around then try it and report back.

If not, then tell him to save his $1000 to purchase the items and have the housing machined to accept the much larger HX35 turbine wheel.

There is absolutely no reason to run the FP30 series turbine housing on a HX35.
The Bullseye Power .55 A/R DSM Bolt On Housing is proven to 500whp at only 30psi.
Spool is 20+psi by 3500 rpm and that's with 272's in a 1g head with a 1g intake manifold.

If your buddy needs to buy everything to make any set-up happen, then it's all about pricing everything out and seeing which option he's willing to try.

The bolt on housing with a 8-blade is proven to produce the power he wants with ridiculous spool speeds.

The bolt on housing with a 7-blade is proven to produce 500whp at 30psi with 20+psi by 3500 rpm, and that's with 272 sized camshafts, a 1g head and intake manifold.

Then there's the best performing, most expensive and fastest spooling set-up The 7-blade HX35 in the stock 12cm^2 housing.
Weld the internal wastegate flapper shut, build a custom O2 housing, buy a T3 divided collector exhaust manifold provisioned for twin external gates and never look back.

Proven 25psi by 3500 rpm in 3rd gear.
Proven 25psi by 3100 rpm in 5th gear.

There's even a HX35 in the 10's already.
Not sure what housing it's running, but it's flying!

I'm pretty sure the best bang for the buck is the bolt on housing for the HX35, period.
i actually do have a hx40 56mm 6blade billet turbo which happens to be damaged on the shaft. So i am letting it go to my buddy , he already has a FP30 housing and a 44mm wastegate. So wht he is going to do is get a hx35 core , swap the billet wheel into it and then mate it with the FP30 housing.
The main reason why most dsm'ers do not buy the FP30 housing is because most of them do not knw the FP30 thats used on the FP3065 and 3052 will not fit because the GT catridge has a diffrent heatshield dimensionn n etc

but actually FP has a catridge tht fits the Holsets, its the FP30 T31 n its much much more cheaper n its even cheaper than BEP's , bt of cos u need to machine it to fit the turbine wheel , tht can be handled by my side easily
of cos the o2 housing has to be fabricated as well

we will see hw it goes on a 2.0l , hopefully it will spool up fine

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i actually do have a hx40 56mm 6blade billet turbo which happens to be damaged on the shaft. So i am letting it go to my buddy , he already has a FP30 housing and a 44mm wastegate. So wht he is going to do is get a hx35 core , swap the billet wheel into it and then mate it with the FP30 housing.
The main reason why most dsm'ers do not buy the FP30 housing is because most of them do not knw the FP30 thats used on the FP3065 and 3052 will not fit because the GT catridge has a diffrent heatshield dimensionn n etc

but actually FP has a catridge tht fits the Holsets, its the FP30 T31 n its much much more cheaper n its even cheaper than BEP's , bt of cos u need to machine it to fit the turbine wheel , tht can be handled by my side easily
of cos the o2 housing has to be fabricated as well

we will see hw it goes on a 2.0l , hopefully it will spool up fine
So you're going to do a hybrid HX35/HX40 in a FP30 Series Housing for the T31 turbine wheel machined to fit the HX35 turbine wheel?

What manifold does he plan on running?

Good luck with that and be sure to let us know how it turned out.


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