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To this: (95-99) 2G DSM Eclipse/Talon Intercooler Kits
Oh look. I guess they're not partners.
Partners is a very loose term. PR could very well have "partnered" up with CXRacing to create these kits and then buy them in bulk for a fraction of cost and resell them back for cheaper while CXRacing just takes what it created with PR and sells them as well for a different price. You wouldn't know the terms they had. It's not like CX stated that PR cannot sell them for lower. Nobody would know except for CXR and PR.
Also, for the amount of money you saved, you can dyno the damn car yourself.
And just cause an intercooler cost 1 grand, doesn't make it the best. Take a look at the Greddy 24R FMIC. It's a POS. And BR proved it I believe with their FMIC shootout. Another note, I seen improper welds blow open. Just cause it's welded does not make it boost leak proof. I'm sure Magnus' SMIM proved that very well. I hope you can judge welds carefully. If not, maybe yours will blow out sooner than these 4-ply couplers that come with the kit.
Another note, an FMIC install will always guarantee coolant temps to skyrocket. The best thing to do is modify the bumper. If you haven't paid any attention to threads lately, there was one on DSMLink.com with a guy that did everything but cut out that lower black piece on his bumper. He was fighting coolant temps until he cut it out. It was then they stabilized.
Really, I seen your thread in Link and even posted it. You seem to just like bashing crap that isn't on your car.
Do you know where I can look at their intercooler test results? I have a big greddy kit and I agree on it being crap. I am looking to upgrade to somthing that performs better and that has 3" piping. (and one that lets me keep my fog lights)
I had also purchased one of these fmic from punishment-racing.com
packaging was excellent!
i will be installing mine this weekend with a full write up and pictures!
only thing i noticed is i didn't get a BOV with mine. . .not a huge huge deal but would have liked it to come with it. . .
hey tim i'll pm you about that.
but other than that, the packaging was excellent, no damaged at all, and everything looks great! hopefully the install will go smoothly. . .i think best part is it comes with a J pipe and 2 of the pipes have holes for a boost source close to the turbo. which is also nice for me anyways.
I had also purchased one of these fmic from punishment-racing.com
packaging was excellent!
i will be installing mine this weekend with a full write up and pictures!
only thing i noticed is i didn't get a BOV with mine. . .not a huge huge deal but would have liked it to come with it. . .
hey tim i'll pm you about that.
but other than that, the packaging was excellent, no damaged at all, and everything looks great! hopefully the install will go smoothly. . .i think best part is it comes with a J pipe and 2 of the pipes have holes for a boost source close to the turbo. which is also nice for me anyways.
Nice post up the pics on this thread when you get them up, would love to see them. And its great to hear the pipes come with nipples for the boost source, i was worried about having to fab up a nipple and weld it on.
as an added bonus it comes with the Greddy Type-S knockoff? perhaps you can ask to order without it to save $30-50.
Also for those t-bolt clamps, it looks like the same ones included in the APEX'i knockoff.. OBX and other ebay sellers carry it. They are horrible, i ran them they bend easy. Owning both the one mentioned and the SSAC kit, the t-bolt clamps that come with the SSAC kit are much more superior.
Other than that, it doesn't look too bad. I'd opt for $30-50 discount to not include the Type-S knockoff, brings it a bit closer to competing with the SSAC kit.
Will be monitoring your results, thanks for posting.
Do you know where I can look at their intercooler test results? I have a big greddy kit and I agree on it being crap. I am looking to upgrade to somthing that performs better and that has 3" piping. (and one that lets me keep my fog lights)
Just so I am understanding this correctly. This kit comes with the bov? I see one that did, one that did not. The site does not list it, however it is in a photo. I also see someone who mentioned a j pipe. Does this kit bolt up to the t25/t28 style turbo or only 16g? Lastly can the crash bar be trimmed to fit?
Ok. Today didn't go as well as I hoped; nothing to do with the kit though. With my old setup the actual bumper had to be removed. Well we took off everything, even the brackets that the bumper bolt to. I needed them, but did not have them as I have had my FMIC for 3 years. So, I had to take a trip to the junkyard. Pulling parts off a car in the rain is not fun, but worth the $25 I paid for both brakets; the local dealership had them priced at $180 each!
Anyway, I was just going to slap them on and go but when I got ready to install them I decided to clean off the rust and throw some paint on them. I'm going to let them sit overnight and then I should be able to finish everything up tomorrow.
I got the upper IC pipes put on. I left the pipes loose so I can adjust them once everything is installed.
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Adam
96 Eagle Talon TSi
90 Plymouth Laser RS
Just so I am understanding this correctly. This kit comes with the bov? I see one that did, one that did not. The site does not list it, however it is in a photo. I also see someone who mentioned a j pipe. Does this kit bolt up to the t25/t28 style turbo or only 16g? Lastly can the crash bar be trimmed to fit?
Talon/Eclipse 2g short route fmic kit
If you look toward the lower left hand corner of the picture in the link above, you will see one of the pipes with the nipple. This pipe is the one used for a downflow setup; I will be using this one. There is also the J-pipe and another connecting pipe for a 16g setup. Also of note is that there is another pipe and 2 couplers not pictured that come with the kit. As for the crash bar, you may be able to trim it, but trust me when you see it you will laugh; I think jello would give you more impact resistance.
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Adam
96 Eagle Talon TSi
90 Plymouth Laser RS
Looks good man. As for the post above, it will only work with a tdo5 compressor housing turbo but you can also make it work with a t25. What i am going to do for the meantime is not install the j-pipe and re-use the stock lower intercooler hose and a smal piece of pipe to make my own connection from the turbo to the intercooler. It's possible to make it work with any turbo, its all about being creative.
BTW boostjunki, i see 2 holes drilled on the flange ? Did the flange come like that ?
Yes, it comes that way. The inside holes are for the BOV that comes with the kit and the outside holes are for a 1g BOV. I'm going to try out the supplied BOV and see how well it works. If I don't like it, i'll just throw on my DG-modded 1g BOV that i've been using.
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Adam
96 Eagle Talon TSi
90 Plymouth Laser RS
I got to see FenixTX717's kit, actually unwrapped it , and I was pretty impressed. 1/8" NPT fittings and bungs welded into the piping and each flange was thick. As stated, packaging was VERY good and from what I've seen customer service is top notch. IMO a good bang for the buck kit.
The core is nothing "special" but I'm sure it will get the job done. Slightly offset style external fins but straight through internal.
Although it's not a short route style, I still like the fact there aren't any 90* end tank inlets or outlets.
Isn't it considered short route? From what I've seen it doesn't look like it takes the stock SMIC route. It seems similar to ETS' way. Not their ultra short route though.
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Tim
Grace: 1998 Eclipse GST
Daisy: 1990 Jeep XJ
Isn't it considered short route? From what I've seen it doesn't look like it takes the stock SMIC route. It seems similar to ETS' way. Not their ultra short route though.
It is indeed a short route compared to the Greddy, Apexi or stock styles. Believe me, I had the Greddy, and it was a ton of pipes.
As for the kit itself, for a street kit, I'd run it if I'm trying to save a buck. If not, like my car now, I wouldn't run it at all. And I agree with what Gamble was getting at before. With so many pipes with couplers, it increases the chances of boost leaks. It's not if a person can assemble a damn clamp on a pipe, it's if those clamps will hold a constant pressure for 'X' amount of time. This is one of the reasons I went with my ETS Ultra short kit. In my kit there are seriously 3 short pipes and a TB elbow all with 4ply couplers and T-bolts all around. There aren't any filler pipes, it's all welded where it needs to be and couplers where they need to be for ease of installation as well as maintanence.
Another small gripe I have. If a company is releasing a new product, and this goes for ANY company making any product, there should be some sort of testing done by the maker of it. Yeah, all the distributors go out and test a lot of the stuff, but it shouldn't be up to them to do it. I believe in companies that are upfront with product information. If not, this just turns into a modification a ricer would use. "I don't know if it adds horsepower over my stock piece, but it sounds/looks SO COOL!"
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Project Workhorse: New Turbo in the Works
I got to see FenixTX717's kit, actually unwrapped it , and I was pretty impressed. 1/8" NPT fittings and bungs welded into the piping and each flange was thick. As stated, packaging was VERY good and from what I've seen customer service is top notch. IMO a good bang for the buck kit.
The core is nothing "special" but I'm sure it will get the job done. Slightly offset style external fins but straight through internal.
Although it's not a short route style, I still like the fact there aren't any 90* end tank inlets or outlets.
This is a short-route kit; mind you it does not take the same route as other kits. However, this kit is a complete bolt on. You do not have to cut or relocate anything on the car. I do know with the SSAC kits, you have to cut through some of the frame, on each side of the radiator. I'm not sure that the few inches of extra piping will make that big of a difference between the two.
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Originally Posted by BoostFrenzy
It is indeed a short route compared to the Greddy, Apexi or stock styles. Believe me, I had the Greddy, and it was a ton of pipes.
As for the kit itself, for a street kit, I'd run it if I'm trying to save a buck. If not, like my car now, I wouldn't run it at all. And I agree with what Gamble was getting at before. With so many pipes with couplers, it increases the chances of boost leaks. It's not if a person can assemble a damn clamp on a pipe, it's if those clamps will hold a constant pressure for 'X' amount of time. This is one of the reasons I went with my ETS Ultra short kit. In my kit there are seriously 3 short pipes and a TB elbow all with 4ply couplers and T-bolts all around. There aren't any filler pipes, it's all welded where it needs to be and couplers where they need to be for ease of installation as well as maintanence.
Another small gripe I have. If a company is releasing a new product, and this goes for ANY company making any product, there should be some sort of testing done by the maker of it. Yeah, all the distributors go out and test a lot of the stuff, but it shouldn't be up to them to do it. I believe in companies that are upfront with product information. If not, this just turns into a modification a ricer would use. "I don't know if it adds horsepower over my stock piece, but it sounds/looks SO COOL!"
These pipes connecting points are located in places which can all be reached, even when the bumper cover is on the car. The PR kit also has one more pipe than the ETS kit you have and also has 4-ply couplers and t-bolt clamps all around. It's not worth it for me to pay $600+ more for one less pipe, have to trim body work, and according to the ETS website, seems to have SS piping; the PR kit has all aluminim piping.
Also of note, is the PR kit also comes with the ability to use a 14b/16g turbo or a downflow turbo; so if you have a 16g now and want a bigger turbo all you have to do is swap out one pipe. Again, all the couplers and clamps are provided for this. I do realize that ETS offers a "steet kit", which offers the same abilities, but is still almost $400 more than the PR kit is selling for right now and has a smaller IC.
As for testing, I spoke with Tim about going ahead and buying this kit, installing it, and testing it. Personally, I don't know how it will perform yet, but stay tuned and I promise I will keep everyone posted.
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Adam
96 Eagle Talon TSi
90 Plymouth Laser RS
Just wondering, is it possible to retain the bumper? Obviously the FMIC is in the way but perhaps some cutting?
It may, but I don't know. I tossed mine when I installed my first FMIC. I will say though, if you have to cut much, your just wasting your time, because it will probably break in half uppon impact. Like I said before, it has the impact resistance of Jello.
I know on a 1g it's advisable to try and keep the actual bumper, because it can cause issues with the bumper cover. However, on a 2g it's not really necessary. I've had mine off for over 3 years now with no problems.
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Adam
96 Eagle Talon TSi
90 Plymouth Laser RS
Well I just don't want to hit something at 5 mph and smash everything in. Also I parallel park a lot and sometimes I have to squeeze into a spot literally bumper to bumper.
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Tim
Grace: 1998 Eclipse GST
Daisy: 1990 Jeep XJ
So I got it installed. Everything but the bumper cover is on. It went smoothly and all the piping fit perfect.
I did notice that the holes in the aluminum mounting bar had some excess inside of them. About 10 seconds with my dremel and I had everything cleared out. Then when I went to mount the bar to the IC, the holes didn't quite line up perfectly, so I again took the dremel and widened them a little. Finally, I bolted the bar on to the IC and then mounted it on the car.
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Adam
96 Eagle Talon TSi
90 Plymouth Laser RS
Then I finished test fitting all the pipes together, leaving them "loose" for any adjustment that may need to be made while tightening everything down. This part was very easy; all pipes fit exactly how the were supposed to from the turbo to the TB; plenty of clearance, as you can see in the pics.
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Adam
96 Eagle Talon TSi
90 Plymouth Laser RS
I tightened everthing down and installed the provided BOV; i'm going to try it out and see how well it works. Another suprise, was when I took the BOV out of the box and lifted the styrofoam up, there was a gasket and hose. If you get this kit, make sure you look everywhere. I never did find the directions that were said to be provided, so I contacted Tim via e-mail. He responded that they were still in the works and will be included soon. I was also wondering about the extra brackets supplied with the kit, as I could not figure out where they were supposed to mount. Tim told me they were provided to be used for additional support for the IC, if the customer felt like it was needed. I do not think they will need to be used, but i'm looking at mounting a couple to see if the additional support makes a difference.
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Adam
96 Eagle Talon TSi
90 Plymouth Laser RS
Here's another view looking down between the radiator and the exhaust manifold. The bottom pic is the left over parts that would be used if you have a 14b/16g turbo. From my experience with these j-pipes in the past, you will probably have to do some trim work of the stock fan for it to fit. Of course, if you have slim fans you most likely will not have a problem.
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Adam
96 Eagle Talon TSi
90 Plymouth Laser RS
NICE! The kit looks great ! Can't wait to get mine. I guess i should start ordering those slim fans for my car.
You don't have to get the slim fans. You should be able to trim the stock fans if you need to; that's what I did when I had my B16g on the car. If you are planning on getting slim fans, go ahead and upgrade the radiator while your at it. I have the PR radiator/fans kit on my car and it works great.
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Adam
96 Eagle Talon TSi
90 Plymouth Laser RS
, and I was pretty impressed. 1/8" NPT fittings and bungs welded into the piping and each flange was thick. As stated, packaging was VERY good and from what I've seen customer service is top notch. IMO a good bang for the buck kit. 
I never did find the directions that were said to be provided, so I contacted Tim via e-mail. He responded that they were still in the works and will be included soon. I was also wondering about the extra brackets supplied with the kit, as I could not figure out where they were supposed to mount. Tim told me they were provided to be used for additional support for the IC, if the customer felt like it was needed. I do not think they will need to be used, but i'm looking at mounting a couple to see if the additional support makes a difference.
