SPA Turbo USA???

[Slippi84]

Anyone ever here of these guys or their turbo's more importantly? They're based out of brazil but seem to specialize in cars like bmw's audi's and volkswagons. Are they another masterpower or somewhere inbetween master power and borg?

On a side note don't ask me why but they actually make a sohc NT -turbo exhaust manifoldWTF

Must be pretty bad if not one person has ever messed with them on here

 

[1fastlaser]

I would do a search on the web to see if any guys from other forums run them. Its amazing how many turbo mustang guys and supra guys are playing with the ebay bs and going 8-9s

 

[Slippi84]

yeah man I"m stuck I can go with a $1200 turbo that is proven and I know I will make the power I want or I can go with a turbo like this pay 700 bucs and be taking a chance. They have been around for 20 years it says and they are mainly a Europian car company. They make a 70ar cold side with t3 .58ar hot side duall bb turbo that I thought would make for a good street strip turbo for about 400-450whp with good spool characteristics but When I saw the borg thread about the s362 making 500whp on pump on a 2.0 vw and hitting full boost at like 4500 I was like WTF. I can afford both but that doesn't mean I spend the extra just to say I have a borg turbo but you can't argue with results

 

[twicks69]

Personally, I will keep on sticking with Garrett, FP, TiAL, Turbonetics and Precision Turbo.

Worth the money, and worth the proven performance.

I like doing things right the first time and getting a quality product that is backed by the company.

Their stuff just looks like rebadged Ebay turbos from China.

 

[Slippi84]

I agree to a point but like carver said there are people that go fast with that stuff too. Now AM I willing to drop 700 on a ebay turbo..NO. But this company isn't XSpower but I also don't knwo who they are. They have a 1 year warranty but to be honest I'm more worried aboutthis unit's performance than it's durability. I will def be going borg if I don't buy a turbo like this. I believe garret has become so standard like clean-x that people just go with it no matter how much it cost. Granted it's good but at what point do you go well it's good but not that good to warrent a $700 difference???

 

[twicks69]

Thats fine, to each their own. As for my experience with Precision and Garrett, I have had excellent service and product over the years. The Precision stuff had some QA/QC issues for a little bit, but have been great at replacing/repairing/warranty work that it has been worth the price.

Personally, I do not know which turbo I will go with next because I absolutely am amazed by GT4088R and how much power it has made -- It will likely make greater than 800AWHP at high boost when it goes back on the dyno next week -- It has already done 750+AWHP on initial tuning on the current setup. It has also been bulletproof with no issues over the last two years of 40+psi through it the entire time. I am also seeing 50psi at 4200rpms with my current tune, with the ability to rev it to 8400+rpms. It makes an extremely strong powerband with excellent response and torque. Great midrange and top end.

Sometimes price is worth the quality of the product you purchase. In this instance, I would rather spend a little more money for a better product.

 

[Slippi84]

Now that I agree with 100% but what is more important to you quality or value?? In case that's confusing what I mean is is it better to get the most for your buc( with the exception of like the very bottom choice in this case a ebay turbo) or to get the best quality part even if it's overpriced ?

 

[twicks69]

People may think it is overpriced, but it has been proven time and time again. If a manufacturer wants to put together and sell a better turbo for a better price, so be it -- I will likely purchase it if it is quality and proven. In my circumstance when I purchased the GT4088R, no one was running them, and I didn't want to go GT42R. There were other options, but I felt that $1400 for a turbo that listed at $1800 was a solid price for a great product.

When Turbonetics pulled out their GT-K lineup, they had the opportunity to competitively price it to the market demand. Instead they priced them high, and Garrett followed suit by raising their prices of their turbo lineup. It is truly a bummer because it makes it more likely that someone will go and purchase an Ebay turbo because it is cheaper.

Hopefully the market will move in a positive direction over the next year or two, and the technology will make it easier and cheaper to produce and sell high quality turbos with excellent efficiency and a decent price.

The DSM community and Sport Compact community have had a major impact on forced induction technology over the last 5 years, and I expect it to continue flourishing in the future as long as the Sport Compact Drag Racing Series continues. Lately it has been dying, and the NOPI/IDRC/NHRA SC/etc. have had major changes to their events and scheduling. If it has an upswing, it has more potential to produce a better market for specialty performance manufacturers to sell their product and increase their R&D efforts to further the sport.

 

[AndrewD5418]

I see them on ebay as well; but I also see that they sell just the hot side. I'm wondering if it'll bolt up to my scm6152 as I want to go t3 with it; but I don't want to spend 300 dollars just for a new hot side from PTE.

 

[biglady112]

We are going to begin tuning my friends SPA 7000H tomorrow. He has had it running for two weeks now. It is going to be awesome on his little FWD Mirage. He is going from a Kinetic 50 trim to this 65mm turbo. Should be great. Everything so far has been smooth with the turbo.

They told us they would stand behind their product and honor their warranty for a full 365 days, no question asked.

Steven

 

[Slippi84]

Yeah they even have a 700m which is a ball bearing turbo which would make for a very interesting setup. Let us know how that 700h makes out steve

 

[AndrewD5418]

I get a bit confused on turbo dimensions sometimes, so would anyone be able to tell me if this will work for a scm6152?

63housingspecsbmp.jpg - Image - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Garrett Turbine Wheel Specs:
Wheel Trim: 76
Wheel Style: T350
Wheel Inducer: 2.795"
Wheel Exducer: 2.437"

 

[twicks69]

The dimensions for the SCM61's Stage 5 wheel you have given dimensions to, is much larger than the dimensional openings for the inducer and exducer of the turbine wheel that would fit in the photo you have attached.

Why don't you just contact Precision Turbo and purchase a T3 turbine housing directly from them? They are only like $160, and then you should be able to get a V-band turbine housing outlet instead of a 4-bolt.

 

[AndrewD5418]

Sadly they're 300 bux .
Precision Turbo Turbine Housings from HorsepowerFreaks
I almost won a bid for one for 80 bux or so on ebay a few days ago but I was beaten by a bot at the last second. Would the Vband help with anything be sides less bolts like flow, lag, or spool up? I'll see about the vband though when I call up to get it rebuilt.

 

[twicks69]

I paid $160.00 shipped for my turbine housing directly from Precision turbo. Like I said, contact Precision turbo directly and "wheel and deal" with them.

The V-band discharge just makes it alot easier to install and remove the downpipe, and takes one more gasket that can fail out of the picture.

 

[THE_ARTIST_]

id go with the BW turbo, eventually ill have one. from what i read about them they are really good turbos. i feal that the garrets have a monopoly on the import market and therefore... concorditly...visa vis, they overprice thier turbos. but the BW's non BB CHRA can spool as fast as garret's BB ones and usually produce more TQ than the garretts as well. also have herd nothing but good things about BEP customer service. and a few years ago when i got my first 50trim PTE sent it to me with shaft play new, sent it back to rebuild, got it back, no play. Had it on for like 2 days checked it and it had a significant amount of play but they wouldnt rebuild it because the warenty had 1 free rebuild. so i was done with them after that.

i wish everyone would get off the garrett "R" bandwagon (not you guys that actually make good numbers with them, but the people with 300hp 35R's) just me.

 

[Slippi84]

Twick is a garret guy and you can't argue with the numbers but I never went with a spa turbo I am already a borg warner and holset guy. I'm gonna be running a holset hx52 with my new setup

 

[twicks69]

Yes, I do like Garrett; and I have been looking into the Borg 366, 372, 376, 380 turbos as well for future choices. I have also had many PTE turbos and they were hit and miss for initial quality, and almost all of them had to get sent back one time or another to get serviced; BUT their customer service was good, and I was always given back a product that was better than the initial product for free or for a small charge. At least they were rebuildable; unlike the Garrett GT series turbos.

Those turbo manufacurers will likely be the manufacturers I am keeping on my list right now.

As for Garrett being a monopoly...dude, seriously...they aren't. The market that Garrett has is much larger in the industrial and commercial business (generators, alternative fuel engines, construction equipment, etc.) that the aftermarket automotive market is a drop in the bucket. As well, there are SEVERAL turbocharger companies out there in our specific market (as initial product, or as alternative brand product)-- Forced Performance, Garrett, Precision Turbo, Holset, Bullseye Power, MasterPower, Turbonetics, ATS, IHI, TiAL (Garrett Based), Mitsubishi Heavy Industry (MHI), Borg Warner, etc. Yes, some of these companies do use Garrett parts in their product as well, but there are several others that do not.

Heck, when the Turbonetics GT-K series came out, they were priced higher than Garrett turbos. Unfortunately, as the market would see it, Garrett increased their prices due to "higher metal costs" or because their competition was priced higher. Why wait for the competition to drop their prices to be closer to your own, when you can just price them higher to be near equivilant and make more profit. If you don't like how Garrett does business, well...go buy a turbo somewhere else.

As for SPA Turbo, is there anyone running them? I do not know of anyone, but I would love to see what fellow DSM'ers get for results with one. Would I buy one? Probably not.

 

[Slippi84]

Borg 372 can be had for 1500 a gt42r which performs similar(some would even argue the s372 is better) is 2k+ I just can justify paying that much more when companys like borg holset and others have proved that longevity and durability aren't issues.

 

[twicks69]

True, but I am lucky enough to have some connections and have my hands on a GT4202R for $1500 new.

I also agree with the durability, as they are used on diesel engines for hundreds of thousands of miles; just at fairly low rpms though. Running 50psi with high wheel rpms will kill any turbo after a while of what we do with them. The key thing is for a turbo of this level to be rebuildable, and that is where Garrett has sucked the most as the GT CHRA's are not rebuildable.

 

[Slippi84]

Well then lucky for me I have a hx52 with billet wheel(think HTA tech ) which is more durable and lighter for half the price of my JHR manifold

 

[THE_ARTIST_]

Yes, I do like Garrett; and I have been looking into the Borg 366, 372, 376, 380 turbos as well for future choices. I have also had many PTE turbos and they were hit and miss for initial quality, and almost all of them had to get sent back one time or another to get serviced; BUT their customer service was good, and I was always given back a product that was better than the initial product for free or for a small charge. At least they were rebuildable; unlike the Garrett GT series turbos..

id like to see your car on a BW turbo.

As for Garrett being a monopoly...dude, seriously...they aren't. The market that Garrett has is much larger in the industrial and commercial business (generators, alternative fuel engines, construction equipment, etc.) that the aftermarket automotive market is a drop in the bucket. As well, there are SEVERAL turbocharger companies out there in our specific market (as initial product, or as alternative brand product)-- Forced Performance, Garrett, Precision Turbo, Holset, Bullseye Power, MasterPower, Turbonetics, ATS, IHI, TiAL (Garrett Based), Mitsubishi Heavy Industry (MHI), Borg Warner, etc. Yes, some of these companies do use Garrett parts in their product as well, but there are several others that do not..

i know there is alot of manufacturers of turbos but alot of them use garrett parts or technology, there is just not much innovation, everyone uses the same technology. most of the fast guys use full garrett's there's nothing wrong with that, but when people start buying turbos that are far to large for thier application just to say they have a 35R is kinda rediculous, and annoying.

Heck, when the Turbonetics GT-K series came out, they were priced higher than Garrett turbos. Unfortunately, as the market would see it, Garrett increased their prices due to "higher metal costs" or because their competition was priced higher. Why wait for the competition to drop their prices to be closer to your own, when you can just price them higher to be near equivilant and make more profit. If you don't like how Garrett does business, well...go buy a turbo somewhere else..

that is bad business in my opinion, and they have lost a customer

 

[twicks69]

id like to see your car on a BW turbo.



i know there is alot of manufacturers of turbos but alot of them use garrett parts or technology, there is just not much innovation, everyone uses the same technology. most of the fast guys use full garrett's there's nothing wrong with that, but when people start buying turbos that are far to large for thier application just to say they have a 35R is kinda rediculous, and annoying.



that is bad business in my opinion, and they have lost a customer

If you want to pony up for a BW turbo for my car, I'll take it. Money doesn't grow on trees around here. If I can, I will.

Companies raise and lower their prices all the darn time to keep competitive while still making a profit. The costs to make turbos isn't a stable market; there are market fluctuations for the cost of metal, machining costs, etc.

It is part of life.