Borg Warner S200 (Bullseye S256) Review

[chavez408]

Well seeing the pictures have made me decide that I am going to go with some pusher fans instead.

[blcknspo0ln]

Well you could always run a pusher and pull combo.

[We're on Boost]

Originally Posted by andy4g63

With the ERL manifold, I got like 1" from comp. cover to water pipe and 2" to radiator

Ok that sounds good, that's 3" total clearance which would be consistant with an 8" diameter comp cover. That would indicate your HX-40 cover is about the same size as an S300 cover. In the picture I didn't think there was 2" clearance to the radiator - it looked like much less, so 2" is good news.

Gary

[andy4g63]

Originally Posted by We're on Boost

Ok that sounds good, that's 3" total clearance which would be consistant with an 8" diameter comp cover. That would indicate your HX-40 cover is about the same size as an S300 cover. In the picture I didn't think there was 2" clearance to the radiator - it looked like much less, so 2" is good news.

Gary

Yeah, on the picture looks really tight, but right before I replied, I went down to the car and measured it today, cause I didn"t want to post incorect info, especially about fitment in tight places.

[T9S1i]

Originally Posted by andy4g63

With the ERL manifold, I got like 1" from comp. cover to water pipe and 2" to radiator

Pics as promised


Im working with .5" to the water pipe and 1.5" to the radiator. It is a fluidyne so i guess thats thicker than stock. There is like 1/4" or so to the fan.










Ive been thinking of putting a 10" pusher fan in front of the radiator on the drivers side, but my coolant temps are pretty good. No real "HOT" weather in San Francisco.

[chavez408]

Lucky... my car has been over heating because of this weather. I am still on the stock fan. Hi temp silocone coating and exhaust wrap on the way.

[T9S1i]

well my FIC 1050's showed up today (actually 1096cc's according to the flow sheet) and they are in the car and fuel trims are dialed in.

Look forward to some logs and #'s of me upping the boost and tuning in the next couple of days.

Wish me luck

[We're on Boost]

Originally Posted by T9S1i

Look forward to some logs and #'s of me upping the boost and tuning in the next couple of days.
Wish me luck

Good luck, don't push too hard for big numbers, and thanks for the good pics and info above.
Also, I'm sick of reading posts that say something like "somebody pulled out in front of me today - that's the end of my car" - so be careful!
I imagine your Fluidyne is a 3-row job which would make it pretty thick. My Koyo is the 2 row version.

Gary

[T9S1i]

thanks for the good vibes, hopefully everything goes all good. I'll be tuning in 2nd gear so i dont get going too fast. Also i'll be on some pretty secluded backroads so no cross traffic.

[andy4g63]

Good luck.

[T9S1i]

(copied from the link forums)

OK, so i went out to do some tuning on my new setup tonight.

BW s258 turbo, supporting mods in sig, 1050cc injectors, 91 octane.

Tune is at 19psi, we had to get my damn fuel trims dialed in again for some reason they changed from the other day so we only had time to tune to this psi. Im going to try to go out and up the boost in the next few days.


I did a launch through the top of 3rd and the car was moving, i got on the freeway and did a little 4th gear pull and then got off the freeway and went home and my manifold and turbine housing were glowing red! Ive never seen that before, is it bad? No knock or anything so...
When i launched i spun all through first gear, then when i did the 4th gear pull on the freeway it sounded like something either broke off or fell out of my engine bay and bounced under the car... so i gotta get under it and take a look to see if everything looks ok. The car drove and handled fine, just heard something kind of clunk off...


Here is the log any input/help/suggestions are welcome. The car kept having a wierd lean situation right at 4k that it took us a while to get rid of.


BIG thanks to Dave! (pneumo) for tuning for me while i drove. Its kind of hard to do it all with this beast!


-Danny
91 TSi AWD 2.0L Skat/Weisco 8.3's, Fidanza, DKS 1 Cams -264/272, Revised Lifters, ACT 2600, Extreme PSI street FMIC, HKS SSQ, 2G Maf, FIC 1050's, IE FPR kit with Aeromotive FPR, Waldbro 255hp, Borg Warner S258 T3 .70 housing, ERL Manifold, Tial 38mm WG, Dejon 4" Intake Pipe

[1992awdlaser]

You need to make a cold air intake or something. Those intake temperatures are crazy.

Did you have to pull so much timing to get rid of knock? If the car was knocking I bet part of it wa due to the intake temps.

Glowing red is normal after beating on it.

[thiazole]

Originally Posted by T9S1i

(copied from the link forums)

OK, so i went out to do some tuning on my new setup tonight.

BW s258 turbo, supporting mods in sig, 1050cc injectors, 91 octane.

Tune is at 19psi, we had to get my damn fuel trims dialed in again for some reason they changed from the other day so we only had time to tune to this psi. Im going to try to go out and up the boost in the next few days.


I did a launch through the top of 3rd and the car was moving, i got on the freeway and did a little 4th gear pull and then got off the freeway and went home and my manifold and turbine housing were glowing red! Ive never seen that before, is it bad? No knock or anything so...
When i launched i spun all through first gear, then when i did the 4th gear pull on the freeway it sounded like something either broke off or fell out of my engine bay and bounced under the car... so i gotta get under it and take a look to see if everything looks ok. The car drove and handled fine, just heard something kind of clunk off...


Here is the log any input/help/suggestions are welcome. The car kept having a wierd lean situation right at 4k that it took us a while to get rid of.


BIG thanks to Dave! (pneumo) for tuning for me while i drove. Its kind of hard to do it all with this beast!


-Danny
91 TSi AWD 2.0L Skat/Weisco 8.3's, Fidanza, DKS 1 Cams -264/272, Revised Lifters, ACT 2600, Extreme PSI street FMIC, HKS SSQ, 2G Maf, FIC 1050's, IE FPR kit with Aeromotive FPR, Waldbro 255hp, Borg Warner S258 T3 .70 housing, ERL Manifold, Tial 38mm WG, Dejon 4" Intake Pipe

I've had this happen before - it was usually a big wrench or ratchet that I left in the engine compartment...

[T9S1i]

Originally Posted by 1992awdlaser

You need to make a cold air intake or something. Those intake temperatures are crazy.

Did you have to pull so much timing to get rid of knock? If the car was knocking I bet part of it wa due to the intake temps.

Glowing red is normal after beating on it.

Yeah, my CAI needs a little tweaking after i installed my new 4" intake pipe. And yes i did have to pull all that timing. I started with the 2g timing map plugged into my link settings since im on higher compression and 91 octane but i did have to pull additional timing.

Originally Posted by thiazole

I've had this happen before - it was usually a big wrench or ratchet that I left in the engine compartment...

Yeah thats what im starting to think, i do need to get under the car to make sure, but drivability is still fine, it was the 2nd time last night that it happened...

Maybe that black hole behind the battery that stole all my sockets and 10 and 12 mm combo wrenches finally spit them out... thats about the area it sounded from.

[Black_Bullet]

I didnt read thru this whole thread, but skimped over a few other threads like it before and these BW turbos look pretty good, my friend Drew ran one with great results; but I never got to ride in it.
The post im seeing in this thread are encouraging though.

I am going to be stepping up from the 16g sometime around spring of next year and I was always leaning for a 3071 or a 3076r, but since I wasnt close to actually purchasing I didnt do too much research, but I honestly dont think I want a BB turbo, even though I do want quick spool. This extended tip stuff looks pretty ideal though.

Iam not very power hungry as some of you guys. A sub 500HP weekend warrior, would be max for me, I dont want to NEED a built motor or spare drivetrain parts laying around.
So more realistically I just want a clean 380-430awhp on pump gas with lots of torque and as quickest spool as possible. I want a punchy responsive setup that can still move up top enough for 120mph 93octane traps, and anything it can do after that would be just a bonus ...but really Im not going for anything to particular. My setup can easily run high 11s on race gas w/ the e316g; and some of the 50trim and bigger dsms around here are still slower than me which isnt motivational in me dropping heavy cash to upgrade...

Ive ridden in a few 50trim/60trim setups and etc. and even with 20+ psi I was never truely impressed.
Im so used to the hard hit of my 16g on 23-25ish psi that when I felt these other bigger turbos, the hit clearly wasnt there, i mean it did pull up top more than my 16g did, but the overall pull was just very linear and smooth and there wasnt much violence in the pull at all... I am all about the fun factor, I want to be placed back in my seat until I let off, and feel my steering wheel fighting me. I mean I havent experienced a bigger turbo setup on race gas pushed to its limits.

Anyways, from what i can tell, the s256 seems that would fit the bill for me, but Idk if thats the best option for my goals, housing wise, Im trying to stay straight bolt on to my current setup ( fpmani, punishment o2housing)
Price is always a factor too, and these turbos arent cheap imo.
Speaking of price, maybe it will drop by the time I plan to purchase a turbo (doubtful)... Whats the best/cheapest place as of now that I should look towards buying. I know theres a few venders advertising; just starting my researching though. Thanks-

[T9S1i]

I think from what you are describing you should go with the bolt on s256. I went with the t3 .70 s258 and its more of a top end turbo. Not that thats a bad thing, it makes gobs of power and you will just want to keep revving your motor higher and higher, but for what you describe i would go with the 256, it should spool fast, hit hard, and have the top end to support your trap times. I know what you mean abou the torque hit that the 16g has, it was an "instaspool" turbo that would hit hard whenever you floored the gas, but if your setup was built well enough, it would run out of steam pretty fast. I missed the instaspool torque factor for maybe a week and now i love the top end pull of the s258, and i havent even felt anything higher than 20psi, its just going to get better and better.

Talk to steve93talon, he's had good experience with the BW turbos and will give you an honest opinion on em.

[Black_Bullet]

Originally Posted by T9S1i

I think from what you are describing you should go with the bolt on s256. I went with the t3 .70 s258 and its more of a top end turbo. Not that thats a bad thing, it makes gobs of power and you will just want to keep revving your motor higher and higher, but for what you describe i would go with the 256, it should spool fast, hit hard, and have the top end to support your trap times. I know what you mean abou the torque hit that the 16g has, it was an "instaspool" turbo that would hit hard whenever you floored the gas, but if your setup was built well enough, it would run out of steam pretty fast. I missed the instaspool torque factor for maybe a week and now i love the top end pull of the s258, and i havent even felt anything higher than 20psi, its just going to get better and better.

Talk to steve93talon, he's had good experience with the BW turbos and will give you an honest opinion on em.

K thanks. You that was easy enough to get a decent response
I wish there was more information on these turbos efficiency on pump gas and
what kind of power the average person can expect. ( I plan to have a more than average setup) but it would appear my goals of 380-430 awhp pump gas are realistic with that turbo while still providing quick boost.
My car is pretty light, and has already done some killer times w/ 16g, so im sure either turbo would possiblymake my car a consistent low 11 pump gas car which is awesome.

[95GSXBLUR]

Dude - these turbos are sick.

They are efficient in any range. far beyond anything I've seen. If you get one you'll never look back. A 256 will respond great.. I run a 258 on my 2.4l I hit 24 psi before 4000rpms. spool and efficiency is insane.

If you're worried about price - PM me. I'll let you know what's going on.