Aem Plug And Play Ems - Page 2

BatmanGSX · 07-21-2002, 03:27 PM

Just so you guys know 2-0turbo, the standalone expert, has a 14B still. Learn to crawl before you walk, sparky.

2-0turbo · 07-21-2002, 08:26 PM

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Originally posted by RocketDSM
Minor tuning like mentioned I can see an "average" car guy having fun playing with. I was talking about using the standalone to get max hp, and a butt dyno doesn't cut it. I'm still wondering though (since nobody answered) anyone see a useful difference between the Racing Programmable EMS and the Plug And Play EMS?

From AEM's website:

We want to stress that the functions and features of both the AEM Plug & Play, and AEM Race systems are virtually identical. The difference between them is that the Race System utilizes a universal plug and has no preprogrammed inputs or outputs, and the Plug & Play System uses a vehicle-specific plug that connects to the factory wiring harness, and has preprogrammed inputs and outputs for the factory sensors. Plug & Play Systems will only be limited by the number of pin outputs provided by the factory, however it will accept additional inputs and outputs and has all the capabilities of the Race System.

NDgsx · 07-22-2002, 01:50 AM

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Originally posted by 2-0turbo

I am not going to be able to extract the last little bit of HP without dyno time--I can't. But, to simply hand the car over and let a shop play with it for 3 hours is unnecessary and a waste of my money, in my opinion.

Uh you know you can pay shops to dyno your car and tune it yourself right? Very few dsmers actually pay someone else to tune thier car.

So you want to make more power than you could on a stock ecu? Shooting for well over 600hp are we?

If you have never done any type of tuning you really should play around with a piggy back first. Their base maps may end up being great, I know that Jason down there (RX7 guy) really knows what he is doing, but don't put all your faith in them.
For all the part throtle, tip in, etc. driveability problems on an system with no base map it usually takes about a month of tweaking to really get it down for different temps.
I'm not going to say don't get it, just don't expect it to be cake.

2-0turbo · 07-22-2002, 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by BatmanGSX
Just so you guys know 2-0turbo, the standalone expert, has a 14B still. Learn to crawl before you walk, sparky.

Hey, its ported.

niterydr · 07-22-2002, 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by BatmanGSX
Just so you guys know 2-0turbo, the standalone expert, has a 14B still. Learn to crawl before you walk, sparky.

not to start anything, but hasn't the lil 14b shown 12.0 1/4 times?
thats alot faster than a heap of people i know with much larger turbos....
i wish him lots of luck, he has his head in the right area, and in the end he knows he'll have to go to the dyno, just trying to cut down on the dyno time (which is exactly what my friend john and i do with our cars, well his car, mine has been broken forever).
good luck 2-0 turbo.

GalantVR41062 · 07-24-2002, 10:28 PM

Dam straight.

BatmanGSX · 07-25-2002, 01:32 AM

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Originally posted by niterydr
not to start anything, but hasn't the lil 14b shown 12.0 1/4 times?
thats alot faster than a heap of people i know with much larger turbos....
i wish him lots of luck, he has his head in the right area, and in the end he knows he'll have to go to the dyno, just trying to cut down on the dyno time (which is exactly what my friend john and i do with our cars, well his car, mine has been broken forever).
good luck 2-0 turbo.

That's all really awesome. But you still don't need a standalone to do that. Your comment really has no point because no matter how respectable your time with a 14B is, using a standalone to do it is totally asinine.

I'm planning on running 850cc/min injectors and a 55lb/hr turbo with nothing more than an SAFC and 2G MAS. Standalones seem like sort of a waste when compared to a car with a $250 SAFC that will probably run circles around them.

RocketDSM · 07-25-2002, 09:04 AM

That all comes down to how accurate do you want to be. A standalone will be dead accurate and keep a car clearly within all safety margins. A SAFC will not. The standalone is basically more thorough and allows more confidence. Someone with a standalone will now exactly how far they can push it, your SAFC doesn't give you that confidence. It will let you get performance near that of a standalone, yes. But you don't know how close you are to killing the whole engine at any given time under a chance circumstance that you couldn't predict.

GoFastTSI · 07-25-2002, 10:17 AM

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That all comes down to how accurate do you want to be. A standalone will be dead accurate and keep a car clearly within all safety margins. A SAFC will not. The standalone is basically more thorough and allows more confidence. Someone with a standalone will now exactly how far they can push it, your SAFC doesn't give you that confidence. It will let you get performance near that of a standalone, yes. But you don't know how close you are to killing the whole engine at any given time under a chance circumstance that you couldn't predict.

Tell me how you came to this conclusion as I would love to hear it. I'll even give you one chance to say that you're wrong before I dig holes in it.

Joe

RocketDSM · 07-25-2002, 11:43 AM

With a standalone I can finely (as in accurately) adjust each individual spec of engine operation. I don't know if the AEM can get down to single cylinder resolution or not, but I know some can. All an SAFC does is richen or lean out according to your settings. It doesn't take anything else into account. The standalone has all of its maps and processing backing it up. Poke holes all you want. I know I would feel a LOT more confident running 28psi on PUMP GAS (91 oct) with a standalone that I tuned backing me up rather than a SAFC. A standalone can adjust itself on the fly without a user input. That is all I was saying. As for unseen occurences, here's one. My wastegate actuator hose came disconnected while driving on the highway. I hit 32psi of boost with stock injectors, pump, and ECU. Guarenteed that it wanted to blow sky high. I still drive that engine today and I know it is because the ECU was able to scale things back enough to save the engine. If I had something piggybacked playing with the signals, I don't think it could have saved the engine before I got to the side of the road. A single standalone unit has been proven time and again (when tuned) to produce more power than multiple piggybacks adjusting signals. Poke holes all you want. It won't change my opinion. Is it worth the price? Yes........to me. That is an answer for each person to answer their own way. In case you didn't notice on my mod list, there is no piggyback system onboard. I don't trust anything that mutates my natural inputs.

BatmanGSX · 07-25-2002, 01:38 PM

Um what can a standalone tell you that a datalogger can't?

And I BEG you to try running 28psi on pumpgas with any system. You realize that you would have to add enough fuel to hydrolock the motor before you could get things cool enough to where it wouldn't preignite, don't you?

GoFastTSI · 07-25-2002, 01:56 PM

A standalone is only as good as the individual tuning it. This means tons of dyno time and a tuner with a vast knowledge bank to make adjustments via the dyno graph and datalogs. I've seen VPC/AFC cars that are plenty faster than standalone equipped cars. It's all in the knowledge of the person tuning it. Of course, this applies to us old school DSMer's who actually take the time to learn and max out every mod that we place on our cars before we go from a T25 to a "YoDawgLevel2000000MUTT".

Also, there isn't a standalone out there that will allow you to run 28psi on pump. Hell, I'd love to see you run 23psi on 91oct and have all your rods in their original unmolested locations. Not going to work.

RocketDSM · 07-26-2002, 10:32 AM

All I can say about the boost levels is - I did it. I don't know how, I probably couldn't do it again. But I did. Last time I checked, gauges don't just make up a number to give you a green fuzzy feeling. Now, I don't run over 17psi on 91oct. As for pooling knowledge to make a difference...get those same guys with the VPC to tune a standalone and see which one runs better, stronger, and faster. Remember that to compare things you should only have ONE variable.