E85/16g/Emanage/1000cc injectors running awesome - Page 3

JayRolla · 12-10-2007, 02:39 PM

I will see if I can get him to load up one of his logs. He did say it had a two spots where the logger read 1 count of knock. Its been real snowy and he told me he was out having fun with it. He said donuts are a lot easier.

Our mechanic was so impressed he said he wanted to build a DD 16g car over a 50trim because he likes how fast the turbo spools it almost makes the same power.

deflator · 12-10-2007, 04:37 PM

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Madders what turbo you are going to run. I'm guessing at 26psi my brothers 255lph has to be close to the edge on e85. But how would we measure if the fuel pump is maxxing? It cant hurt to run another fuel pump and its not too expensive.

Awesome, so its doing 26psi on an evo16G? I think I'll be just fine then with a Big T28 Killer and 23psi. God that thing is going to spool off idle or something

JayRolla · 12-10-2007, 07:17 PM

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Awesome, so its doing 26psi on an evo16G? I think I'll be just fine then with a Big T28 Killer and 23psi. God that thing is going to spool off idle or something

Boost hits 26psi and slowly creeps to about 22psi and holds. He has an custom built adjustable actuator with a larger spring that we hope can hold the boost better if we tighten it up. But we dont think its going to work, so he most likely will be getting a external wastegate for better boost control.

JayRolla · 12-11-2007, 05:20 PM

Tightened up the actuator and car is holding 26psi alot better but its real snowy so we cant really test it fully. I talked him into going to the dyno after christmas some time so I hope I can post some numbers soon.

Black_Bullet · 12-11-2007, 08:22 PM

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Tightened up the actuator and car is holding 26psi alot better but its real snowy so we cant really test it fully. I talked him into going to the dyno after christmas some time so I hope I can post some numbers soon.

That would be a good idea

JOEY A · 12-11-2007, 09:15 PM

I would think a daily driver with a nice sized turbo would want to run LINK as a min and EMS would help out even more for control of feul etc

Im talking about very very good drive ablity and tunning

Sure people ran high 9s with just a afc, doesnt mean its a wise choice

JOEY A · 12-11-2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JayRolla

Tightened up the actuator and car is holding 26psi alot better but its real snowy so we cant really test it fully. I talked him into going to the dyno after christmas some time so I hope I can post some numbers soon.

Why dont you save your selfs the trouble and just go with a ex waste gate

Black_Bullet · 12-12-2007, 08:07 AM

JayRolla why arent you running E85 in your dsm. This talk seems to all be about your brother/mechanics cars... The day I see a E85 station out here im going to go and have some fun on the highway to burn off the remaining pump gas and fill up with E85. And depending how seldom i see a E85 gas station id buy a decent sized gas tank that can hold 5 or 6 gallons and fill that up and leave it in my garage for back up gas !

JayRolla · 12-12-2007, 10:16 AM

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Why dont you save your selfs the trouble and just go with a ex waste gate

My brother is running greddy emanage, this is not about my car. Emanage is working out incredibly well. My mechanic loved it and said he is surprised more people done use it for how cheap it is. He even likes some of the features over his dsmlink, but link has the cool features like raising the rev limit and stuff like that. But for a fuel controler, timing controler and injector compensation it works just as good as link.

Also ex wastegate cost money when tightening the actuator was free. Not everyone can just go buy whatever they want.

JayRolla · 12-12-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Black_Bullet

JayRolla why arent you running E85 in your dsm. This talk seems to all be about your brother/mechanics cars... The day I see a E85 station out here im going to go and have some fun on the highway to burn off the remaining pump gas and fill up with E85. And depending how seldom i see a E85 gas station id buy a decent sized gas tank that can hold 5 or 6 gallons and fill that up and leave it in my garage for back up gas !

Well I have a little girl and another little one on the way. I dont really have the money to go out and buy dsmlink, injectors, fuel pump, fuel line and all that.

I'm building the easiest and cheapest way to break 300whp. I will be adding a methanal injection kit here real soon and hope I can somewhat keep up with my brothers car.

Black_Bullet · 12-12-2007, 11:51 AM

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Well I have a little girl and another little one on the way. I dont really have the money to go out and buy dsmlink, injectors, fuel pump, fuel line and all that.

I'm building the easiest and cheapest way to break 300whp. I will be adding a methanal injection kit here real soon and hope I can somewhat keep up with my brothers car.

Thats understandable, my car is done on a budget. And besides you arent too far away from a E85set up either, and dont you already have a socketed eprom, just get a basic chip tune. Also E85 doesnt mean you have to turn the boost up, you can still make more power just using it to take advantage of timing advance.
Run a lean afr that doesnt knock so you have more leanway in IDCs and then just run the max boost you can till your fuel system cant keep up, and crank the timing way up.
Even if your current fuel set up on the 16g is limited to like 12-13lbs with E85; im sure you'll still be faster if you dropped 32 degs of timing on top of that and youd be making more power but on a little less boost... Why not ya know?

JayRolla · 12-12-2007, 12:08 PM

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Thats understandable, my car is done on a budget. And besides you arent too far away from a E85set up either, and dont you already have a socketed eprom, just get a basic chip tune. Also E85 doesnt mean you have to turn the boost up, you can still make more power just using it to take advantage of timing advance.
Run a lean afr that doesnt knock so you have more leanway in IDCs and then just run the max boost you can till your fuel system cant keep up, and crank the timing way up.
Even if your current fuel set up on the 16g is limited to like 12-13lbs with E85; im sure you'll still be faster if you dropped 32 degs of timing on top of that and youd be making more power but on a little less boost... Why not ya know?

No I dont have an eprom, just a safc to tune. I was thinking of throughing in a 255fp and 1000cc injectors. Then just see what I can do with the safc. There was a guy here on a gt30r turbo and made 550whp on e85 using just a safc and 1000cc injectors. There was a spot on the rpm band that he was not able to lean the car out but still made awesome power.

But we only have I would say 4 pumps in our whole town right now. Ive seen people run 26psi and 20+ timing on a 16g using meth injection so I may try that route instead of e85.

JayRolla · 12-12-2007, 12:35 PM

We are also thinking of pulling the timing back a little on the tune of my bro's car. We are only adding 6 points on the emanage. We would like to see 22-26* like when it was stock because with the stock cast pistons it may be a little dangerous.

Burnett03 · 12-12-2007, 01:13 PM

Congrats, 26psi on a evo316g feels insane. I'm also running the evo3 16g at about 25psi daily on e-85 and 1000cc injectors. Car feels super fast.. I think im around 21degrees timing with about .4 knock, but only when my boost spikes. This is also on an old tired motor.

Black_Bullet · 12-12-2007, 01:17 PM

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Congrats, 26psi on a evo316g feels insane. I'm also running the evo3 16g at about 25psi daily on e-85 and 1000cc injectors. Car feels super fast.. I think im around 21degrees timing with about .4 knock, but only when my boost spikes. This is also on an old tired motor.

You damn Colorado people with all this E85 im jealous..... lol

Burnett03 · 12-12-2007, 01:21 PM

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You damn Colorado people with all this E85 im jealous..... lol

Haha, i guess we are closer to the corn fields than you are.. E-85 is the greatest thing to come to dsm's since dsmlink, IMO.

JayRolla · 12-12-2007, 01:24 PM

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Congrats, 26psi on a evo316g feels insane. I'm also running the evo3 16g at about 25psi daily on e-85 and 1000cc injectors. Car feels super fast.. I think im around 21degrees timing with about .4 knock, but only when my boost spikes. This is also on an old tired motor.

Yea he is running on the stock motor when he bought the car. Car reads 200k miles. But we believe the motor was swapped at one point. The car had a 13g turbo on it when we bought it from an auction.

He gets maybe two spots on the logger where 1 count pops up of knock. Are you the guy that has a 12.1 1/4 mile on a 16g/e85 setup?

Burnett03 · 12-12-2007, 01:27 PM

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. Are you the guy that has a 12.1 1/4 mile on a 16g/e85 setup?

Maaayyybee....

Black_Bullet · 12-12-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Burnett03

Congrats, 26psi on a evo316g feels insane. I'm also running the evo3 16g at about 25psi daily on e-85 and 1000cc injectors. Car feels super fast.. I think im around 21degrees timing with about .4 knock, but only when my boost spikes. This is also on an old tired motor.

Hell id be happy with even just 23-24 psi with 25-26degrees timing daily, wouldnt even need to push it further, id probably just take advantage of some higher compression if I built the motor...