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Old 11-19-2004, 08:27 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #301 (permalink)
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GSX503,

Find a local DSM'er that knows what he is doing and see if he can help you out. Look at his car and try to understand how his various mods support his bigger turbo.

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See guys, Im not a dumbass, and its disturbing to hear people call me a dumbass when their the ones living with there parents owning such a dsm with higher insurance working at local production factory. Look, I am intitle to be getting my Mechanical Engineering degree this year so I guess whos the dumbass.
actually im almost a year away from a structural engineering degree, live in an apartment, and work at an engineering company for the past 8 months... even with a 16g you should have upgraded the bov, injectors, and pump... so yes, you still have not done your research... apparently they havent gotten to the cfm section of you engineering classes yet to know that the t3/t4 turbo flows way too much for a stock intercooler and fuel system

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actually im almost a year away from a structural engineering degree, live in an apartment, and work at an engineering company for the past 8 months... even with a 16g you should have upgraded the bov, injectors, and pump... so yes, you still have not done your research... apparently they havent gotten to the cfm section of you engineering classes yet to know that the t3/t4 turbo flows way too much for a stock intercooler and fuel system
That just what I've said, 16g "you should" not write away like bigger turbos. You can add here and there for 16gs not LIKE BIG TURBOS BIGGER THAN 16g unless you want to blow your motor cuss you'll be running too rich 24/7. My little brothers got 97gsx and has the 16g with no fuel mods like me, he's fine for now and pulling alot harder and not like my car I need all afc, pump injectors, regulators, and more right away $$$$$$$$$$, so the car not running so super rich. I've got all bolts on pieces, Big Greddy fmic and 255pump, stills running super rich can't afford everything. Thats why I said I didn't want the bigger turbo.

I pretty much do know my fluid mech, thermo and heat trans, ok. I am in the National BAJA ASME and also worked in CAM for MERIX CORP. before my company sent me to school.

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why has this turned into a kill GSX503 thread. jesus leave him alone hes ###### a pretty nice guy

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why has this turned into a kill GSX503 thread. jesus leave him alone hes ###### a pretty nice guy
Yeah that dumbass is a nice kid aright. I assuming he drives that blue gsx on our campus thats in some of my ME classes that keeps on screwing up the curves.

If thats you, one advise. Go spend more time working on your car and less time with studying. CUZZ you ####ing up the BEl curve.

Please spend more time on adjusting your fuel system and not on studying. Everyone at school knows that your a NERD. Plus, you do need more fuel to work that T3/T4 turbo, so this is your next project.

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Thats right guys stop chewing me up. End of conversation.

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Yeah that dumbass is a nice kid aright. I assuming he drives that blue gsx on our campus thats in some of my ME classes that keeps on screwing up the curves.

If thats you, one advise. Go spend more time working on your car and less time with studying. CUZZ you ####ing up the BEl curve.

Please spend more time on adjusting your fuel system and not on studying. Everyone at school knows that your a NERD. Plus, you do need more fuel to work that T3/T4 turbo, so this is your next project.

Your calling him a dumbass? Jesus at LEAST run a spell and grammar check, you sound like a illiterate ass hole

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Sorry guy, just trying to help him out.

503GSX, I live in Aloha Oregon. I just bought a 16g from ebay. This has only a bit shaft play nothing major. This turbo is still sitting in my room. This turbo should be right for you if you still want to trade. I'll do the all the dirty work if you help me on System Design homework.

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Sorry guy, just trying to help him out.

503GSX, I live in Aloha Oregon. I just bought a 16g from ebay. This has only a bit shaft play nothing major. This turbo is still sitting in my room. This turbo should be right for you if you still want to trade. I'll do the all the dirty work if you help me on System Design homework.

Let me know, email= auh_gonny@hotmail.com
Ok, I'll email you. I don't know about helping you with Sys Design, JK. I'll lend you my homework.

Its a black not blue.

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Ok, I'll email you. I don't know about helping you with Sys Design, JK. I'll lend you my homework.

Its a black not blue.
i cant believe that no one told you to put a aftermarket fuel pressure reg on your car. if you have a 255 fuel pump then you are over running your stock one. which is why you are running rich. i say keep the turbo you have and get a set of injectors and a safc, and call it good till you can get a front mount ic.

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I suggest you put much larger injectors in there than stock, tune the fuel pump, and use a safc...
i mentioned it earlier with tuning the fuel pump, but yea... any type of fuel control will help even out the power numbers

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Thanks for all the help. I have about $250 to spend, so I'm buying my friends SAFC2 for a hundred and taking remaining to the shop to have them instal it and tune it for me.

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Thanks for all the help. I have about $250 to spend, so I'm buying my friends SAFC2 for a hundred and taking remaining to the shop to have them instal it and tune it for me.

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Before you buy an SAFC, BUY AN AFPR. I can't believe it took that long to have someone suggest it.. Your 255 is overrunning your stock FPR and that is a reason why you are running so damn rich.. Keep the boost down on whatever turbo it is, and invest in the FPR.


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See guys, Im not a dumbass, and its disturbing to hear people call me a dumbass when their the ones living with there parents owning such a dsm with higher insurance working at local production factory. Look, I am intitle to be getting my Mechanical Engineering degree this year so I guess whos the dumbass.

Look my mistake to go to a local shop to have a small 16g install, yet when I went to pick up my car the following week. The shop had put in the T3/T4 without giving me any notifications. See I only paid $350 install and refuse to paid the rest. Look, we Engineering students are too smart to get fool by shops and also got away with a more expensive turbo for $350 install. I got the receipts if you want to see, keeping reciepts just incase of a lawsuit and trust me, I won't have to pay the other remaining $700.

Dude, I already knew then, that I would need to spend more ok. Thats why I stated bigger turbo needs to spend alot more money VS small 16 and 16g.
Riding around burning so rich and smelling like raw gas is not fun at all when I'm a full time student was small amout of budget.

And yet my cars is paid off with through my Engineering scholarships and grant money, so don't call me a dumbass when you don't know me.

Look I'm just trying to help here. Its really not safe to driving, when running too rich and can't afford to buy more things for the car. Its just not the pump that will get the car not to run so rich: its the injectors, safc, fuel regulator and plus many more. These are $$$$$$$$$, pretty much need all of these right away.

I usually don't flame, but I take offense to this. I live with my parents and have a high insurance rate. Does that make me a dumbass? If you say so. But the fact of the matter is, you're trying to run a fairly large turbo(which you know nothing about) with poor fuel delivery. You're running a high pressure fuel pump which will overrun your factory regulator. But you're still running stock injectors. And you're doing this without ANY way to tune. Of COURSE you're going to run rich. And on another note, while I personally have not done anything to my car yet, a lot of the people you're calling dumbasses probably did their own work, and didn't just take it to a shop and say "make this fast ###thx".

As far as the turbo goes, I hate to tell you, but the fact that you kept it means if they take you to court, you're paying for it. Yes, if a shop performs unauthorized work you can refuse to pay, but if you keep the parts they put on, you ARE responsible for the costs.

And finally, before you go calling people dumbasses just because they live with their parents and pay high insurance costs, please get a semblance of a grasp on spelling and grammar. It really makes you look bad when you insult people's intelligence while talking like someone who learned english earlier this year. Just because you're an engineering student DOES NOT automatically make you smarter than everyone who "lives with their parents and pay high insurance".


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I usually don't flame, but I take offense to this. I live with my parents and have a high insurance rate. Does that make me a dumbass? If you say so. But the fact of the matter is, you're trying to run a fairly large turbo(which you know nothing about) with poor fuel delivery. You're running a high pressure fuel pump which will overrun your factory regulator. But you're still running stock injectors. And you're doing this without ANY way to tune. Of COURSE you're going to run rich. And on another note, while I personally have not done anything to my car yet, a lot of the people you're calling dumbasses probably did their own work, and didn't just take it to a shop and say "make this fast ###thx".

As far as the turbo goes, I hate to tell you, but the fact that you kept it means if they take you to court, you're paying for it. Yes, if a shop performs unauthorized work you can refuse to pay, but if you keep the parts they put on, you ARE responsible for the costs.

And finally, before you go calling people dumbasses just because they live with their parents and pay high insurance costs, please get a semblance of a grasp on spelling and grammar. It really makes you look bad when you insult people's intelligence while talking like someone who learned english earlier this year. Just because you're an engineering student DOES NOT automatically make you smarter than everyone who "lives with their parents and pay high insurance".
Dude, I wasn't call you a dumbass. I was talking about the guy that who called me dumbass and so don't be offended by my retarted words.

I gues, I just learned english this year and Engineering students are just plain dumb and not smart. Believe it, this world is a total turned around because of us Scientist and Engineers. Besides, you are driving an Engineer's designed car, so what does this say, uuummmh.

And no, I wouldn't have to pay for the turbo. I call my credit call and despute the charges that I DIDN'T AGREE upon paying, and also, they kept my stock turbo and tored it appart. As a result, its been 4-5 months and I also reported them to BBB. BBB wrote me and said, "I don't have to pay" because the shop and I have a agreement on small 16g, the shop can't start putting things on without consulting me.

Thats why I stated, I DID NOT WANT A BIG TURBO in the first place, READ before ccriticizing me.

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we should just let the thread die... but gsx503 you are by far the cockiest person i have ever met, and you have a very inflated view of engineers... there are literally millions of engineers in the world, and I plan on being one too, so just because you are an engineer does not give you god's right to feel superior to anyone else... now let this thread die and do the necessary mods and good to hear about you not having to pay for the improper work done to your car.

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Dude, I wasn't call you a dumbass. I was talking about the guy that who called me dumbass and so don't be offended by my retarted words.

I gues, I just learned english this year and Engineering students are just plain dumb and not smart. Believe it, this world is a total turned around because of us Scientist and Engineers. Besides, you are driving an Engineer's designed car, so what does this say, uuummmh.

And no, I wouldn't have to pay for the turbo. I call my credit call and despute the charges that I DIDN'T AGREE upon paying, and also, they kept my stock turbo and tored it appart. As a result, its been 4-5 months and I also reported them to BBB. BBB wrote me and said, "I don't have to pay" because the shop and I have a agreement on small 16g, the shop can't start putting things on without consulting me.

Thats why I stated, I DID NOT WANT A BIG TURBO in the first place, READ before ccriticizing me.
Tempting as it may be, I'm going to leave flaming aside.

I'm trying to offer you some very real advice here. You kept that turbo, you WILL be liable for the cost of it. When you drove away from the shop with it in your possession, you more or less agreed to the charges. And the fact of the matter is, if they DO pursue legal action, it will probably be criminal theft charges. Technically, since you never paid for the part, and took it anyway, you stole it. The fact that they kept your original turbo is immaterial -- that has no bearing on the matter at hand. For you to not be liable, you would have had to have refused the turbo and they would have had to either put your original back, or offer some sort of replacement.

Yes, if a shop performs any sort of repair or upgrade without your consent, legally you are NOT liable for the charges. If you refuse, they can put it back the way it was and you can go about your merry way.

You kept the turbo, you are liable for it. You can choose to believe me or to not believe me if you want, but I'm trying to help you here. If they pursue legal action, you have a snowball's chance in hell of winning.


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TD04HL? what kind of turbo is this?


ok so i took pictures of the turbo that im selling and i noticed that it says TD04HL and i typed it into a search and it doesnt say anything about a 14b or t25 turbo. what kind of turbo is this. i took it off of my jdm 7bolt 4g63t motor.
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see i was confused too. i need to know cause im sellin the whole thing and i dont want to give someone wrong info.

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that comp wheel looks bigger than a 14b hmm... maybe a jdm 16g lol if they make them?


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lol...see...noone knows and ive asked like everyone. and i dont know how to do a check to see what it is. theres no company name from what i see. so......

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i would say its a deffinatly a mitsu turbo and if i had to guess what it was i would guess 13g. although i have no real idea what the HL is for


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ahh yes i retract my 16g info and say its a 13g.

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'TDO4HL-Super 60 Compressor wheel 6CM stage 2 for the 3000 GT VR-4 and Stealth Twin Turbo produces 500cfm each. it increases compressor flow to support over 680HP. This turbo also uses the larger compressor wheel as well as the larger TDO4HL turbine wheel, not the smaller TDO4 wheel found in the factory turbo. These are direct bolt on replacements for the factory turbos and require little modification of factory snorkel pipe for installation.'

just typed it in yahoo.... i think its a 15g

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well right now i have the t-25 that is about to go out and im debating. is it a good turbo? is it worth putting on or should i still go with my s16g. i was going to sell this turbo but if anyone can give me insite as to if its good than i wont sell it. it has 35k original miles on it and i thought it was a 14b and i was gonna sell it for 150 with everything you see in the pic. anyone give me ideas?

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