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so this thread has had my mind spinning for a few days, i have one nt and plan on finding another just for the evo4-8 swap. now the questions i have are not if it can be done i have seen enough cars with the swap in the past few days, but where do you start do you build this kind of swap from the motor up and try to track down all the odd job parts. Or is the better option to just buy an evo front clip and go from there.
Let me get this straight; you'd rather have a FWD 2g over an Evo?!?!?
Yes. ABSOLUTELY. Have you ever ridden in an Evo? The seats are far less comfortable than what the 2G has. Plus the 2G has a true cockpit feel like the Supra's and FD RX-7. The Evo feels like I'm sitting in an upright position no matter how much I recline the seat. It's simply a car that does not set up to my liking. As a matter of fact, the guy with the Evo that we were cruising also has a 1G Talon. I begged him to turn around after 30 minutes to go back and pick up his Talon to cruise instead.
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To each his own I guess. Personally, I would much rather drive an evo than a fwd 2g. I have ridden in and driven stock evos and a few upgraded ones as well and loved every second of it. My buddy's 540whp evo with stock recaros handled quite well and comfortably on our 300 mile trip to and from Montreal. On top of that, they hold MUCH better than the stock 2g seats. I guess I am more of a performance enthusiast than a comfort enthusiast, but again, to each his own.
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So what would be the most difficult part for making this swap work?
I'm all for getting an awd and will when i get a chance, but as someone else said this is my first car and i don't see my self parting from it and i wanna do something very unique to it.
So what would be the most difficult part for making this swap work?
I'm all for getting an awd and will when i get a chance, but as someone else said this is my first car and i don't see my self parting from it and i wanna do something very unique to it.
Everything, once you learn more you'd understand better that its POINTLESS.
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Agreed^^^. This is like the thread about the 6g72 in a DSM. It is different, but it is a ton of work and pointless because the 4g63 is a better motor. I know all about the wanting to be different thing, but being different in this case is going to cost you the better part of $5-7k. Does this really need to be discussed anymore? Anything is possible with enough time and money, but when there is an AWD version of the same vehicle with, in some ways, a stronger version of the 4g63 (6bolt) that can be had for less money than you would spend on the swap, why would you even think twice? It just makes no sense. But if being sentimental and different are your reasons and the money is burning a whole in your pocket by all means do what you want. Just know that you could buy yourself an AWD 2g, drop a 6bolt in it, get a 16g (or bigger) used, then learn how to drive your new AWD beast and have a blast like the rest of the people here. You could then keep your car the way it is and have a new toy to tinker with. Just my $.02
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Ive seen this thread on dsmtalk its cool but like everybody else said it alot of money and work that you could just put into and evo or dsm but if you live in an area where there arent alot of dsm's i understand doing something like this to be unique.
Waste of time/money, Put that money into a 4g63 that falls right in. If this 97dsm character is so smart why did he fail to realize that a 2g is NOT a dsm, Never was never will be. If its so easy why dont you see them in vast numbers. Oh I forgot because our 4g63 can easily produce just as much if not more power for the same money or less and you wont have to modify anything to drop it in. I dont know about 2g cars I will be the first one to admit that but to say that dropping in a COMPLETELY different engine into a car is was not designed to fit in with little work seems a bit far fetched. Sounds like he is trying to play DR god I know it all its easy because I am just so freaking cool. Evo spec 4g's cost an arm and a leg and are not really easy to find. I can get regular old 4g's all day for 200-1000 bucks in running condition. I have never priced out evo 8 motors but I am sure they cost ne where from a few to several grand. I dont see the point of it honestly, Our 4g is just as good. Honda kids say the same crap I can just drop in this huge 2.2 liter engine in my little poop master crx with no mods. WRONG They think that because of people who go and say how easy it is and give the wrong idea to people who have never transplanted any motor. You dont take something that was not meant to be dropped in and expect it to just fall in all hunky dorey with no issues at all. Thats second grade stuff you should know better. Square pegs dont go in round holes. Well unless you work the holy crap of it. Same thing hold true here, I wont take the advise of a kid who doesn't even know what a dsm is. Oh and that car is not in the united states, So unless he is all down with the chi fong tong chitty chitty gang bang connection over in japan he is prob just blowing smoke.
ouch bro damn take it easy lol
ive seen with my own eyes a 3g eclipse gs with an evo motor and gst trans done by extreme motorsports
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I say to each their own. If you have the money to spend on being unique, go for it. If you don't like it, then you just don't. It's obvious you can go other routes, but it seems individual to the owner with the means to do it.
NO ford and Chevy never collaborated with a foreign manufacturer to produce the mentioned cars. A mustang is a mustang and a camaro is a camaro. No matter what year they may be. maybe if fordsubishi and chevonda come into play its a different ball game.
actually it was ford and mazda.....the probe and mx6 are the same car with different badging....also pontiac and toyota also collaborated on the matrix/vibe...once again same car...not a mustang or camaro but the premise is the same....not trying to pick a fight or flame war here.....just putting some info out there
i like it i think its good for all the 420a guys with a lil money
That is exactly why the swap will work and its not pointless, its for the people who want something that not everyone else has. you can make a 300+ Hp 4G63/4 or what have you. If you want something that a total of about 5 people have in the US so far it would be an evo swapped 420a. But in a DSM world full of 4G63s The swap info is hard to come by. i wound up talking to guys from all over to find information i needed. But its not a swap for everyone,
Until we start seeing people posting "how to" tips about the swap this thread is pretty much dead. Also, all you guys who are slamming this idea by saying "just get a turbo dsm" are about as lame as the V-8 guys saying just buy a V-8.
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There is no such thing as a how-to for real innovation, it's called get your elbow grease on. And yes, this really doesn't make any sense in the long run, just buy a GST or GSX and here is why:
1. You also have to swap over the rear drums to disk on an RS and GS if you are reasonable and want to actually stop properly at higher speeds.
2. The motor alone costs about as much as a GST.
3. Why would you not use the Evo IX MIVEC motor and harness?
why all the hate? I think its original and I give you props, it doesnt matter if someone agrees or disagrees with something someone else has done as long as that person likes it, different strokes... I wouldnt personally do it myself moneywise but thats sick to pop your hood and see. its not like its a honda with big wheels on the back and small on the front lol. good luck with it bro dont listen to the haters, oh and the guys who say 2gs arent dsms? who cares it has a diamond star on it... its a "diamond star motor" (dsm for nubies who dont know whats going on) lol. keep the peace later
All DSM is, is a factory. A DSM just means your car was built in a joint owned factory and it truly means nothing, because I can show you a 95 420A that has an actual DSM sticker on it.
the reason the evo 1-3, 9 motors aren't suggested is fitment the evo4 - 8 are pretty much drop in motors as far as the motor mount positions are concerned.
i am kind of wondering where these huge price tags are coming from i have searched countless scrap yards and front clips are about 2000, you add in the 500 blown 420a eclipse, and an extra 1000 for all the extra misc. parts your only at 3500 for a truely unique car. You could how ever buy a gst in decent shape for about that with 100000+ miles and be just like every other 2g or do this and have something unique for about the same price.
I mean the site is dsmtuners right not lets take the easy way and do something everyone else has done already, knowledge is power, but applied knowledge is unstoppable
"quayzar590awd....you my friend have no idea what your talking about.....the colaboration between Mitsubishi and Chrysler died in 96...thats why the Eagle Talons died in 96"
question here if eagle talons died in 96 then how did i get a 97 talon and i do believe that they made them till 98 and that is when they fall off the map.
anyways all i know is my talon is covered factory with mitsu symbols lol.
i think this is awsome looks sick and is very creative and im with brassc2007 ^^^ a 96 and 97 and 98 talon are still dsms as well as eclipses all the way till 99 who cares i hate when people get so upset about 2nd gens not being "dsm's" cant we all just be part of a comunity and be happy for one another damn
Well I have some other point of view. I live in Bulgaria (Europe) and I have to say that DSMs and all the Eclipse generations are rare. There are more lambos, porsches, ferraris and other sports cars than us, so our cars are "exotic" I am not talking Bulgaria only. It is most of Europe.
So a DSM-er who wants to keep his DSM and make it fast has almost no alternatives. He takes the first thing that seems reliable and not so expensive. In this case the guys can find evo8 motors for good money so they do it. They don't have much of a choice like you guys in US have.
That's why me and 2 other friends are going to make a 420a to 4g63 turbo swap on a GS this winter-spring. We don't have a better and cheaper choise. There are like three 2g GSX here and 10-12 turbo DSMs here.
So the guy has a turbo DSM with a pretty nice Evo 4G63 engine. It is much better than driving a stock 420a so i am enjoying this quite much.
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In Europe this makes sense. In Asia, makes sense too. Not in the US. We have less expensive, more robust options. The only thing you get with this is that you can say you have an evo motor in your eclipse.
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In Europe this makes sense. In Asia, makes sense too. Not in the US. We have less expensive, more robust options. The only thing you get with this is that you can say you have an evo motor in your eclipse.
I am not sure i understand what other options besides the srt4 swap or the edz block swap a 420a owner have and maybe a 6 speed trans out of a pt cruiser turbo. Honesty that is why i am researching the swap for a few weeks now. all i want is an evo motor in an eclipse, isn't that reason enough to do the swap? to have one of only a hand full of cars with the swap done. to me its worth it to others its just a waste of time that is why to each his own. but its great to see that there is a ton of potential to 420a cars.
Well I have some other point of view. I live in Bulgaria (Europe) and I have to say that DSMs and all the Eclipse generations are rare. There are more lambos, porsches, ferraris and other sports cars than us, so our cars are "exotic" I am not talking Bulgaria only. It is most of Europe.
So a DSM-er who wants to keep his DSM and make it fast has almost no alternatives. He takes the first thing that seems reliable and not so expensive. In this case the guys can find evo8 motors for good money so they do it. They don't have much of a choice like you guys in US have.
That's why me and 2 other friends are going to make a 420a to 4g63 turbo swap on a GS this winter-spring. We don't have a better and cheaper choise. There are like three 2g GSX here and 10-12 turbo DSMs here.
So the guy has a turbo DSM with a pretty nice Evo 4G63 engine. It is much better than driving a stock 420a so i am enjoying this quite much.
good luck with the swap, and be sure to make a write up for it
Your option is getting a GSX with the money you would spend on the swap! You have that option in the US. GSX's and GS-T's are abundant. You can find one fairly easily and for little cash. Just look at the classifieds. My point is WHY WOULD YOU SPEND ALL THAT TIME ON SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE FOR YOU FROM THE FACTORY BY MITSUBISHI (or Diamond Star, bc I'm sure someone would point that out)? Again, I have nothing against being different, but in this case it really makes absolutely no sense. From my experiences (read: mistakes), I have learned that it costs a lot of money to go the custom fab route. Nothing wrong with it, but sometimes there are better options. Ultimately, you do what makes you happy and if the only way you can see to be happy is swapping an evo motor into your N/T then go for. But don't forget this thread when you're knee deep in it and you could've just got a GSX.
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Your option is getting a GSX with the money you would spend on the swap! You have that option in the US. GSX's and GS-T's are abundant. You can find one fairly easily and for little cash. Just look at the classifieds. My point is WHY WOULD YOU SPEND ALL THAT TIME ON SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE FOR YOU FROM THE FACTORY BY MITSUBISHI (or Diamond Star, bc I'm sure someone would point that out)? Again, I have nothing against being different, but in this case it really makes absolutely no sense. From my experiences (read: mistakes), I have learned that it costs a lot of money to go the custom fab route. Nothing wrong with it, but sometimes there are better options. Ultimately, you do what makes you happy and if the only way you can see to be happy is swapping an evo motor into your N/T then go for. But don't forget this thread when you're knee deep in it and you could've just got a GSX. .
of course i will remember the gsx in about 2 years what else would i swap a 6g72 motor into Honestly?? the evo motor is just to say it can be done and put an end to all the it cant be done talk about it. Anyone can buy a gst but how many people get to build them from the sub frame up in a car that was not ment to have that motor in it. and the truth is everyone has a fast turbo dsm but building a NT dsm into something one of a kind and seldom done is the right road for now.
Plus it will be nice when its done to see an evo 4 in an eclipse instead of the ever growing evo 3 style.
They think that because of people who go and say how easy it is and give the wrong idea to people who have never transplanted any motor. You dont take something that was not meant to be dropped in and expect it to just fall in all hunky dorey with no issues at all. Thats second grade stuff you should know better. Square pegs dont go in round holes. Well unless you work the holy crap of it. Same thing hold true here, I wont take the advise of a kid who doesn't even know what a dsm is. 
Oh and that car is not in the united states, So unless he is all down with the chi fong tong chitty chitty gang bang connection over in japan he is prob just blowing smoke.
ford and Chevy never collaborated with a foreign manufacturer to produce the mentioned cars. A mustang is a mustang and a camaro is a camaro. No matter what year they may be. 
maybe if fordsubishi and chevonda come into play its a different ball game.
I am not talking Bulgaria only. It is most of Europe.
