ssautochrome's wastegates

icekilla126 · 10-12-2008, 11:11 AM

Im finaly going to fix my boost creep problem. So i came across a 46 mm wastgate from ssautochrome for $80.00. Anybody have a wastgate from them. Any input would be nice. I personaly think its too good to be true.

MilwaukeeGSX · 10-12-2008, 11:48 AM

It usually is with anything from ebay.

1gDSM4g63 · 10-12-2008, 12:10 PM

It is too good to be true. It's eBay crap. Just stick with Tial 38mm wastegate. Running a 46mm on a 16g will cause boost creeps.

kahl23 · 10-12-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 1gDSM4g63

It is too good to be true. It's eBay crap. Just stick with Tial 38mm wastegate. Running a 46mm on a 16g will cause boost creeps.

Um, actually running a wastegate that size with a 16g will eliminate creep, not cause it. Creep is caused when the wastegate is too small to bypass enough exhuast from the turbine wheel. Running a 46mm versus the internal size of, at most, 34mm, would only stop creep. That being said, go get a Tial.

4g63tcrazy · 10-12-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 1gDSM4g63

It is too good to be true. It's eBay crap. Just stick with Tial 38mm wastegate. Running a 46mm on a 16g will cause boost creeps.

Yeah your a little off there.. The bigger the wastegate opening the more exhaust gasses that can flow through and bypass the turbo, therefor holding boost better.

KPEclipse · 10-12-2008, 12:25 PM

Everyone may advise you to stay away from eBay/SSAC stuff, but to be honest, other than on here...everyone I know that has had SSAC/eBay copies, loves it.

My buddy had a CRX, boosted, went 10.80, SSAC turbo kit, and upgraded his turbo, and the SSAC parts never had a problem. The tubular mani never cracked(and he never even welded a brace on) his SSAC wastegate did the job, as he ran 28 psi down the track, on many MANY passes. He went through 3 motors, and only blew them up because of his tune, trying to make more power, and once because he sat on the two step for like 7 seconds building boost, and blew it up.

I hear alot of people saying the eBay stuff is crappy, and I guess that's your own idea, but every eBay/SSAC part I've seen isn't only super cheap, but does the job.

Just my .02

kahl23 · 10-12-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KPEclipse

Everyone may advise you to stay away from eBay/SSAC stuff, but to be honest, other than on here...everyone I know that has had SSAC/eBay copies, loves it.

My buddy had a CRX, boosted, went 10.80, SSAC turbo kit, and upgraded his turbo, and the SSAC parts never had a problem. The tubular mani never cracked(and he never even welded a brace on) his SSAC wastegate did the job, as he ran 28 psi down the track, on many MANY passes. He went through 3 motors, and only blew them up because of his tune, trying to make more power, and once because he sat on the two step for like 7 seconds building boost, and blew it up.

I hear alot of people saying the eBay stuff is crappy, and I guess that's your own idea, but every eBay/SSAC part I've seen isn't only super cheap, but does the job.

Just my .02

The dangerous part of that is that if everyone buys eBay copies, soon there will be no one left to copy from. SSAC may have come a long way, I don't know, I prefer to deal with companies that create their own innovative products, instead of copying what already exists.

KPEclipse · 10-12-2008, 12:37 PM

That's a whole different argument, and in that aspect, I agree with you. If everyone just buys copies, what will we copy?

I was just responding to what the op was asking.

On certain parts, I feel like we get raped on prices, like for example, when I got my exhaust, you couldn't get a good exhaust system for less than 450 or so. Now, people are buying turbo back for like 300 bucks. I'm not mad at that because we were getting KILLED with those prices.

interex · 10-12-2008, 01:34 PM

Everyone has copied off someone else at some time or another. The whole point about automotive parts and the companies that make them are 1, some think they can do better, 2 some think they can do cheaper, 3 everyone wants to make money. Some companies feel they can offer the same stuff cheaper because then there won't only be one company making a specific item. I had my SMIM made for me, and it is a JMF Clone just like all the other JMF SMIM clones that are out there. That doesnt mean my SMIM will blow up, or be any less better than theirs. The name doesn't always sell performance. SSAC is also it's own company, it is not Ebay. They do sell a lot of things on Ebay but so do other businesses. Don't tell people just because it's on ebay it is junk or that it is "an ebay product" because it's not. Yea some people scam on ebay, and some people sell junk at a good price but that doesnt mean everything is junk.

jrohner · 10-12-2008, 01:51 PM

I looked around for reviews on cheap wastegates a few weeks ago, and came to the overall conclusion that they work pretty good.

200-300 or more just for a wastegate is insane. With some parts, there's the R&D argument, but how could a company spend a million dollars (or 100 grand) on R&D for a wastegate -- its a housing, a valve, a spring, and a diaphragm. It stays closed until a boost source opens it at a set psi. Not exactly rocket science. I would never believe someone if they said it costs $100 to make a wastegate, maybe for a machine shop to custom make one, but not for a place to make a lot of them to sell -- they are doing something very wrong if so.

All the car , snowmobile, watercraft, ...etc companies copy each others ideas all the time. If you make something good (or even bad), it will get copied at some time. Wait a couple extra weeks to release your item, and then you can be the one called the copy cat instead.

The name on something doesn't always mean much either. Heck, some Hyundai's get good reviews and Mercedes' get bad ones.

xioca · 10-12-2008, 03:11 PM

I've read over on HMT that the diaphragm on those ebay knock-offs sucks. That the rubber they're made of cracks and can't take the heat as well. Some people just swapped the internals because of it.

KPEclipse · 10-12-2008, 03:25 PM

Friend of mine has the ebay wastegate, hasnt changed anything except the spring and it holds boost GREAT.

kahl23 · 10-12-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xioca

I've read over on HMT that the diaphragm on those ebay knock-offs sucks. That the rubber they're made of cracks and can't take the heat as well. Some people just swapped the internals because of it.

And the fact that Tial internals are a direct fit into some eBay brand wastegates should tell you something about how they "designed" their products.

aaronspeed · 10-13-2008, 12:14 AM

I have a Twin Turbo Mustang using the SSAC $80 BOV and it works great. 45k miles and No Problems. I am installing one on my sons '91 AWD as soon as I convert it to a GM MAF over the winter months. I would have no problem using a wastegate from them either. I have been using SSAC on my wifes Subaru turbo and no problems.

selmerguy · 10-13-2008, 04:32 AM

I run a Ebay wastegate with no problems. I have ran it for 4 years on 3 different cars. Never had a problem. Most people that I know running one are all very happy.

interex · 10-13-2008, 05:21 AM

The problem is people see a name like SSAC and think "

JUNK". Which may have been the case back in the old days of trial and error. I see people all the time talking about Magnus SMIM splitting or cracking but yet they seem to be highly creditable on this site. Usually the people who spend $300 for a product that someone else spent $80 for, are the ones who criticize and bad mouth the cheaper product. It's all about money, never about product.

icekilla126 · 10-13-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jrohner

I looked around for reviews on cheap wastegates a few weeks ago, and came to the overall conclusion that they work pretty good.

200-300 or more just for a wastegate is insane. With some parts, there's the R&D argument, but how could a company spend a million dollars (or 100 grand) on R&D for a wastegate -- its a housing, a valve, a spring, and a diaphragm. It stays closed until a boost source opens it at a set psi. Not exactly rocket science. I would never believe someone if they said it costs $100 to make a wastegate, maybe for a machine shop to custom make one, but not for a place to make a lot of them to sell -- they are doing something very wrong if so.

i couldnt agree more. Its the same when im looking at intercoolers its a metal box that cools air. how can someone mess that up??? and yet you see $700-$900 kits because someone slapped a name brand logo on it.

as for every on else who posted thank you for all your input. I will take all your opionions into my consideration.

1gDSM4g63 · 10-13-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by interex

The problem is people see a name like SSAC and think "

JUNK". Which may have been the case back in the old days of trial and error. I see people all the time talking about Magnus SMIM splitting or cracking but yet they seem to be highly creditable on this site. Usually the people who spend $300 for a product that someone else spent $80 for, are the ones who criticize and bad mouth the cheaper product. It's all about money, never about product.

When it come to SMIM it makes a lots of difference on who make it. Pro fabricator like Magnus, AMS and JM Fab who are focus on DSM really do the engineering with CAD. It is not a easy job to do the engineering and determining which size the plenum makes the most performance.

Although several Magnus SMIM have split, it is sheet metal. People who go for SMIM almost always have deeply modify cars which put out 600 hp+ for autox or drag and putting on a SMIM on those types of car it will go through intense stress. But Magnus has been proven to perform on well below 10 sec cars. As for the eBay SMIM, who knows if they put any engineering to it and it will probably split and crack like most eBay manifolds.

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Originally Posted by icekilla126

i couldnt agree more. Its the same when im looking at intercoolers its a metal box that cools air. how can someone mess that up??? and yet you see $700-$900 kits because someone slapped a name brand logo on it.

as for every on else who posted thank you for all your input. I will take all your opionions into my consideration.

As for intercoolers, they are not just a metal box. Each core has a CFM rating. It will make a huge difference as to how much boost you can run without knocking. The last time I checked on eBay the sellers just feed you a load of crap saying '800hp FMIC.' When I asked them what the CFM rating is they don't even know or they say the CMF rating is 800. CFM rating is totally different from what the amount of power the intercooler is capable of producing.

I'm not saying that eBay sell garbage but you have to take into consideration it is eBay and most people run schemes on there. When you get into the types of things like SMIM and FMIC which are for highly modify cars, I am not going to deal with this.

KPEclipse · 10-13-2008, 03:56 PM

IC's are different, as noted by the previous post. Some of those ebay numbers don't even have pressure drop and when you message them, don't have a CLUE what it means.

Not to say some ebay coolers aren't good intercoolers, but put it like this...I had a small ebay FMIC on my car when I first swapped to a 14b. I purchased the biggest IC that SSAC had for like 120 shipped at the time...mounted it, strapped up, and the car tore the tires up in SECOND the whole way through. The ebay FMIC did its job, but not nearly as efficent as the SSAC cooler, and those aren't even top of the line coolers.

SSAC makes decent stuff, I mean, like I said, a buddy of mine had a 10.80 CRX with SSAC parts on it. If he goes 10.80 and SSAC is good enough for him, you can be DAMN sure it's good enough for me.