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Time to up the boost! The 2g timing on the log seems to work well as a baseline.
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I agree. I forget Kris, does your AEM read correctly or no?


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Not really, though the 11.0:1 reading is the lowest I've seen in Link, even though the gauge reads >11 at WOT when boost comes on.

I'm a tad concerned with the knock (where I let off), so I'm nervous about turning up the wick for the moment. Add a touch of fuel?


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I probably would over taking out timing.


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Added a smidge of fuel, boost in the 22psi ballpark...new pull log.

More fuel around 5.5k?
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I would make another pull when the car is fully warmed up also, but yes I would try adding some fuel in that area, as according to the AEM, you're getting up around 11.7:1
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I would make another pull when the car is fully warmed up also, but yes I would try adding some fuel in that area, as according to the AEM, you're getting up around 11.7:1
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I agree. I forget Kris, does your AEM read correctly or no?
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Is your narrowband o2 sensor working correctly? It's maxing out at .88v which is pretty low.

Do you really not see any boost until 3500 RPM or so?


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.88 on a 1g isn't as low as on a 2g front reading, this much I know.

On the 2g map, all power under the curve has gone to shit. Boost is "coming on" at 3500-3700. Not the smallest snail in there.


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21psi on the nose, richened up, pull starts at 142s or so.

AEM now reads into the 10s on Link, but still seems a few .xx point off from my quick glances coming into boost.

Thomas...you still around?
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Still at 21psi. Pull till it knocked...and stayed in it for a sec after the CEL
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As a test, what happens if you yank the timing sliders from 4500-6500 down to -16°? If you STILL see no change in knock retard, then there's a problem. If you do see a change, then at least you know it's a tuning issue and you can simply pull timing until it stops. *Why* you have to pull so much may be a mystery, but at least you'll be moving forward.

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Good thought. I'll try to get that today or tomm in the AM on the way in to work.


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Here's the clipped pull at the suggested timing levels...guess it isn't something banging around tripping the KS.
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Geeze man, that is really crummy timing. The ~2g timing worked well in my 1g with 8.5s up till probably 24psi. Did you try just dumping that in (maybe smoothed out a bit)? Im running this if you want to try:
1.5k -1 .......... 2k -2 ............ 2.5k -1 ............. 3, 3.5k -5 .............. 4, 4.5, 5k -8 ................ 5.5k-10............... 6k-11........... 6.5k -6 ........... 7k-4 ............ 7.5, 8k-3

I have the same problem with my UEGO. I cant log the gauge face numbers with any real trust; however, a/f estimate seems to be right on in my car, I occasionally just gauge watch during pulls to check correlation.
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The 2g timing left me with knock. :/

I'll start raising the sliders a click at a time.


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Little (and I do mean little) clip of 2nd gear from this morning. Couldn't take the fun route to work.

Tires got a lil loose, but moving back up in the world of timing.
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Tires got a lil loose, but moving back up in the world of timing.
The WB logging issue is a bit perplexing, though. Without accurate WB data, it's really hard to gauge "good" timing values. If you're really running 11:1 on pump gas, for example, I would fully expect to pull a lot of timing.

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Got any buffers back in?

The WB logging is what kills me about the whole thing. I can assure folks all day that it drops off the gauge (11.1 is the last number seen IIRC) before Link sees it do so, but not everyone is inclined to trust my eyes.


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Get an LC-1... That's the only advice I have for you.


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I know, I know.

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Yeah, we have a few here now.

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Another log...if they matter at this point.

BoostEst is about 2lb high at 6000rpm and I had to let off for traffic. Timing topped out in the 9* range. Feels pretty good, to be honest, but there's still a touch of knock.
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Kris, maybe you posted this before, but how are you running 1000cc injectors at 11:1 with no fuel slider movement?

Have you touched any of the settings on your MAFT, or is it set for stock 450's and the rest zero'd out?

You should change your AFRatioEst preferences to say you have 922cc injectors, per this wiki page.
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I ran the Calculate global % on the Fuel page and it's showing a bit lower recommended global, although I doubt it should be a huge issue.

I'm not sure why your AFRatioEst is that far off of your wideband readings though.


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Kris, maybe you posted this before, but how are you running 1000cc injectors at 11:1 with no fuel slider movement?
AEM wideband tomfoolery, sir.

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Have you touched any of the settings on your MAFT, or is it set for stock 450's and the rest zero'd out?
MAF-T is v1.1 and settings are for 450s.
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You should change your AFRatioEst preferences to say you have 922cc injectors, per this wiki page.
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That, I can manage.

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I ran the Calculate global % on the Fuel page and it's showing a bit lower recommended global, although I doubt it should be a huge issue.
The global with these PTEs has always been a fun one. Trims look good, so I think you're right that it shouldn't be too big a deal...though I'm rarely certain about the odd things like this.

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I'm not sure why your AFRatioEst is that far off of your wideband readings though.
This is what gets me, too. Smells rich, some soot on the bumper, WB gauge reads rich...

I'll get the buffer tomm, and wire it in when it arrives.


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I'm tempted to tell you to lean it out, but we'll wait to see if the buffer helps.


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You should change your AFRatioEst preferences to say you have 922cc injectors, per this wiki page.
Do you mean because he's running 37psi fuel pressure? If so, the V3 application lets you specify that in the AFRatioEst properties. No need to adjust the injector size. Just enter 1000 cc/min and 37psi if that's what you're running.

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