20g td06 HP record?

[Jaxness]

Originally Posted by pneumo

458AWHP and 412 AWTQ on a Mustang dyno. Pics coming soon!

What type of fuel and how much boost?

[pneumo]

I had a fun day on the dyno! Weather was a little warm. Most pulls showed IAT (post intercooler) around 95 to 100*F. My goal was to get over 460 but it just wouldn't do it. I went up and down with the boost, up and down with AF ratio, and plenty of timing sweeps while trying to get a few more HP out of it. The only thing I didn't try was adjusting the cam gears, and I didn't want to shoot the timing again since the cams are already set aggressively and it doesn't idle too steady.

458 AWHP and 412 AWTQ on a Mustang dyno!
I still have to update my profile so the mods aren't up to date yet.

Sorry for the poor pic, the printer was low on ink.

Originally Posted by Jaxness

What type of fuel and how much boost?

Pump E85, summer blend.
Boost peaked at 34psi at 4800 rpm and drops to 25psi at 8k rpm. This turbo has an internal wastegate with a 21psi actuator.
The turbo is a standard 20G compressor wheel in a TD06 comp housing, TD06 turbine wheel in a MHI 7cm exh housing.

[Nate Crisman]

Awesome! What is the Cam/Head/Intake combo? And I assume your running this through a stick trans?

[pneumo]

Originally Posted by Nate Crisman

Awesome! What is the Cam/Head/Intake combo? And I assume your running this through a stick trans?

Hi Nate!
Yep, I'm still using the 5 speed. It's still a street car so I'm 'sticking' with it!

I'm using a self ported 2G head, Kelford 272's, and the new FFtec SMIM. I ran the same combo on the 16G and had great results. The car feels like a Beast! There's a little lag but the torque hits hard! My car is light and the tires are a little old so it was breaking loose in second gear anytime I hit it.

[JusMX141]

So awesome to see that, after all these years, the 20G is still alive and well as one of the absolute best choices for an OEM turbo upgrade. It's now in it's third decade! (1990's, 2000's, 2010's)

[Nate Crisman]

Originally Posted by pneumo

Hi Nate!
Yep, I'm still using the 5 speed. It's still a street car so I'm 'sticking' with it!

I'm using a self ported 2G head, Kelford 272's, and the new FFtec SMIM. I ran the same combo on the 16G and had great results. The car feels like a Beast! There's a little lag but the torque hits hard! My car is light and the tires are a little old so it was breaking loose in second gear anytime I hit it.

Are you still running Jackal SD or Link? Which exhaust wheel/housing? What's your expected trap speed with this power level? Do you have a similar dyno chart from the E3 16g to draw comparison? Or even just your thoughts on the 20g vs 16g,

Sorry for so many questions, Im trying to glean as much information that I can compare to my own 20g setup (although spool/power/trap comparisons are muddied due to the stick/auto)

Congrats....

[pneumo]

Wow so many questions! OK I'm at lunch right now so I can't dig up all that info, but I posted my 16G times and dyno numbers in your '16G drag race discussion' thread. Basically with the exact same mods and an EVO3 16G turbo I ran 10.48@ 130.1. I ran this 20G last Fall for only two passes without changing the tune from the 16G tune and it ran 10.5@130, so it was probably making the same power as the 16G on that tune. I noticed the 20G holds power better at high rpm, which it should since it's a bigger turbo. Now that I have it tuned it should be capable of low 10's at 132mph.

The exhaust side is MHI 7cm housing with a TD06 wheel. No 'H'.

[Nate Crisman]

Heh, there is no such thing as "too much information"

[blue blaze]

Those numbers and times are out of sight for a 20g. i have an fp green on my driver, built 2.1 same 272 aem and I am struggling to make that same power through a dynojet.

[pneumo]

Oh yeah, I forgot to add that I'm running native speed/density code in the ecu. It doesn't have a name since I've re-written almost everything in the EPROM code to make it drive nice and put the power down better. All I can say is that I'm using TunerPro RT to change the tune and still writing code in raw hex.

I really like these mid size turbos. The spool is quick enough for spirited street driving, yet it can still put down huge power with the right mods and tune.

[94awdcoupe]

pneumo, how much does car weigh? 10.48 at 130.1 is monster impressive for 16g.
would like to see the list of mods.
and why the heck not just use ecmlink????

[pneumo]

Originally Posted by 94awdcoupe

pneumo, how much does car weigh? 10.48 at 130.1 is monster impressive for 16g.
would like to see the list of mods.
and why the heck not just use ecmlink????

Thanks! It was a fun project, a nice way to stretch my skills.

The car weighs 2770 with me in it. I'd like to strip it and make it lighter, but like I said it's driven on the street so I'm keeping the dash, heater, lights, door beams, rear floor, etc., plus I like a nice seat with good padding since I have to drive nearly 3 hours to get to the track.

OK basic mods list;
2.0 engine with Wiseco 9.0:1 comp pistons, Eagle rods.
2G head with FFtec SMIM, Kelford 272 cams, Kiggly beehive springs, S90 70mm TB, big FMIC,
Fuel; FIC 1450 injectors, stock hardline, E85, twin Walbro's 255HP in tank with ECU controlling the second pump, Old HKS AFPR.

Fully build 5 speed trans with EVO3 gears, 4 spider center diff, Quaife front diff, PTT twin disc clutch.

Koni/coilovers with custom spring rates. Aluminum upper and lower rear control arms. Custom alignment.

I do all my own work on the car; engine, trans, suspension, tuning, and coding the ecu. I don't do paint and body work, and it shows.

I know ECM link is nice, but it didn't always offer all the features of the current version. I saw the value of having complete control over the entire fuel and timing map way back when burning EPROM chips was the only way to go. I got good at it and my code skills progressed over the years. I just kept going with it. I can't justify spending several hundred dollars for a tuning system that will remove as many options as it adds. Besides, I can get a nice deal on full standalone setup from AEM for nearly the same price as ECMlink. So the real question is 'why the heck don't I just use AEM?"

[94awdcoupe]

well that explains it. 2600ish is a stripped puppy. but impressive just the same.

[pneumo]

I keep saying my next mod is going to be a tow vehicle and a trailer. Then I can really strip it and compete on a higher level. Who know's how much faster my car would be if it was 200-300 pounds lighter? But then I'd be driving a truck everywhere.
Meh, either way the car still makes great power.

[Nate Crisman]

Originally Posted by pneumo

I keep saying my next mod is going to be a tow vehicle and a trailer. Then I can really strip it and compete on a higher level. Who know's how much faster my car would be if it was 200-300 pounds lighter? But then I'd be driving a truck everywhere.
Meh, either way the car still makes great power.

I hear that! I'm loving my "lightened" street car vs my trailered track car. It's mucho fun to tune and experiment on the street again. Even if it means staying .300 slower due to street equip weight.

[pneumo]

Originally Posted by Nate Crisman

I hear that! I'm loving my "lightened" street car vs my trailered track car. It's mucho fun to tune and experiment on the street again. Even if it means staying .300 slower due to street equip weight.

wow, that's funny. Right after I wrote that, I went to my favorite HP calculator and punched a few numbers and came to the same conclusion. If I drop 300 pounds my time would drop by approx 3 tenths.

[pneumo]

Update!
I just wanted to add that I went to the track last Sunday and got 3 runs on the 20g tune. It was hot, around 90*. I had to turn the boost down a little to keep the car happy, it didn't like high boost in the heat. Boost was 27psi falling to 24 psi by redline. My best time was 10.48@ 133.1 mph with a 1.62 60' time. I didn't launch it hard, I was just out there to have some fun. Plus my car weighs more now, I have a full exhaust, passenger seat, more interior and conveniences to keep the car quieter and more useful for street driving. It adds another 85 pounds from when my car was in 'kill' mode.

[xxNocturnalxx]

Very nice! So.. same as the 16g then?

[pneumo]

Originally Posted by xxNocturnalxx

Very nice! So.. same as the 16g then?

Yeah I know, ? I looked at the timeslip and said, Damm I ran the exact same time on the 16G! haha
But the 16G run was with a lighter car, better 60' time, and it only went 130mph. With the 20G the car is heavier, driven mildly, and still trapped 3 mph faster. The 20G is making some nice power for sure!

[xxNocturnalxx]

My car is currently at the shop getting some work done before the dyno tune, will have some results next week, I will be running it at about 20psi. stock block and head, 20g hoping for 300whp, my biggest restriction will be the stock Mirage t/b, it is tiny.

I will be tuning again in a month or so with 65mm n/t t/b, delta hks 272/272s and hks cam gears

[gimmie11s]

Originally Posted by JusMX141

So awesome to see that, after all these years, the 20G is still alive and well as one of the absolute best choices for an OEM turbo upgrade. It's now in it's third decade! (1990's, 2000's, 2010's)

^^ this

td06-20G one of the most under rated turbos EVER.

[94awdcoupe]

1992 EVO 1 in Tampa - evolutionm.net

some interesting 20g results brewing here in tampa. I have owned the car twice so I know the car well enough.I built the block/IC/turbo setup. just recently sold it to a local friend. he has big plans for the setup. 6567 type. but I encouraged him to play with the setup up first. I put the setup together but the old owner didnt have the means to give it justice.

current setup is as follows.

9.0 JE pistons
eagle/scat rods
o-ringed block
nitrided evo 8 crank
GSC S2 cams
evo 8 hardware in head

ACT 2600 street clutch
3 inch exhaust
custom short route 2.5 IC pipes. evo 8 IC
Koyo radiator
street/strip 20G turbo with FP cast exhaust mani, and evo 3 02
880cc injectors (may be larger now?)
AEM V2 speed density
AEM wideband
75 shot

unusual 18 inch wheels. sold to me as magnesium. they weigh 17lbs so i dont know. they had same manufacture sticker that Volks come with. whatever they are they are cool.

GAB adjustable struts swapped out for lite weight BC coil overs

the AEM was given a quick tune at waste gate boost. on 93 octane the car made 367 whp dynojet. car did visit the 1/8 and went 7.50 ay 93mph 1.73 60ft (by memory)

just got phone call from him. on sunoco 117 30psi and holding 28psi it lay down 487. on 75 shot it lay down 586. but tuner said turbo was going to blow up soon so he detuned it to 507whp on the bottle. I am hoping to see the dyno charts this week. I will see about getting them posted. he also has plans to hit the 1/4 on thursday.

[xxNocturnalxx]

Well I just made 286 whp on my 20g lol, how do I get it added to the list? Do I just submit a pic of the Dyno graph in my profile and it just posts up automatically?

[94awdcoupe]

well I couldnt get all three graphs. and car never made it to track. first there was rain for a week. then driver hurt leg playing soccer and coulnt drive car. then 100 cars show up at track but gates are closed. now car is on to bigger hp. no more playing with the 20g. oh well.

[FlyinTalon]

wish u had video of the dyno......but good job not bad numbers.

[94awdcoupe]

found some good numbers from srt4 car using the snail 20g wheel mated to TD05H turbine.
461whp/514tq 2.4 liter
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

[03RedSRT4]

Wazzup DSM peeps!? Shout out to 94awdcoupe

My name is Nick, aka 03RedSRT4 on srtforums.com. I am the SRT4 owner who recently dynoed 461/516 whp/wtq on my corn fed 20G Td05HR.

A friend of mine from Chula Vista sent me a link to this thread, so I decided to say hello. I know our cars are quite different, and I am not to savvy on the tuning lingo you guys use, but I thought maybe I could learn something, as well as be of assistance to any one inquiring about my mods. Honestly, I am more stock than not. My engine bay is very OEM, and I have had BS called on me many times to my face.

My Td05HR was machined to allow the comp housing to accommodate the 20G wheel, as well as the CHRA, to allow proper geometry. My head is 100% stock, as well as my block, bottom end, to include complete balance shaft and chain assembly.

My input shaft is Pwerks billet, because I have broken 2 OEM ones.

Any questions LMK

1/4 mile time slips will be posted on the 21st of October, 2012.

My photobucket has about a thousand photos, so if you wanna see something just ask.

There are some gauge shots here, so you may have a reference to acceleration on the loaded Dynocom Dyno.

Nick's JEP Dyno 7/28/12 - YouTube

[mrTachyon]

Hey guys, new to this site.

Just put down 448/489 HP and TQ with a TD05h 20G this afternoon at MAP in the Twin Cities.

1g TSi AWD - Self built 2.4, E70 with 26 PSI falling to 20 by 6500.

Good little turbos... hits like a ton of bricks picking up around 300 WTQ in 600 RPM!

[KeelesKustome]

I'm contimplating buying this.

any negative advice I should know first?
20g Billet Compressor Wheel OE Interchangeable 11 Blade with Extended Tip TD05 | eBay

[delta448]

The one in that link is not based on a 20G wheel even if it measures the same ind/exd. With 11 equal height blades instead of 6 pairs (like regular 20G), I would expect faster spool with less flow.

MHI 20G wheel:


"pureturbos" ebay wheel: