Road Race Build: 98 talon tsi road racer

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Originally Posted by danielsl1999gsx

Im so confused on how this car is gonna be put back together, but i cant wait!

Why are you confused?

Everything will go back on basically the same way as stock except no welds to these parts they will be attached with fasteners to the remaining metal, or new brackets, if you have something in particular or in general let me know and I will clarify.

Thanks for looking in.

[greengoblin]

Can't wait to see your cage. Its going to have to be pretty beefy to put rigidity back into the chassis. Great work!

Kevin

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Originally Posted by greengoblin

Can't wait to see your cage. Its going to have to be pretty beefy to put rigidity back into the chassis. Great work!

Kevin

The main points of the body are going to stay, the undercarriage will be reinforced,
I will be cutting to the outside of the spot welds, it may be kind of difficult to visualize.

The cage will tie all of the cabin and all strut towers, plus I will build some kind of subframe connector, the main hoop and front hoop will be welded to that also, it is what you have down there really what counts, to me from the door sills up it is only fascia.

Thanks for your input

BTW your car is really turning out real nice, are you going to road race it or only time attack.

[KAOI]

Originally Posted by arrowhead

they will be attached with fasteners to the remaining metal, or new brackets

I too am very curious regarding what type of fasteners you will be using. Do you have a picture or a link?

~Kevin

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Sorry did not answer before, but my computer has been giving me problem lately.

There will probably be many different fasteners, from dzus, screws, bolts, some nylon, and of course rivets and blind inserts.

Around the windshields they will probably be large rivets, these will go through the
plexiglass, fiber roof and lip of metal around perimeter of frame, also the fiber roof will be attached to this frame with a product I use, called super bond which is basically and epoxy used for many things but it is formulated for fiber in particular,
expensive but very good, then the mandatory brackets on the inside.

The rear quarter I have made them so they can be fastened to the original bracket in the rear bottom where the back bumper mounts and the perimeter of the hatch mounting all the way to the top, it is like a tooth cap if you will like to think of it that way.
The pass door will be non functional, but removable.

It looks so far that I will make the front cap one piece, that would include both fenders, the front bumper- spoiler with the headlights shape integrated, this will be held in place by various brackets and fasteners for quick removal,

I will take some pics of the places where I plan on mounting the parts, of course this takes a little fabrication.

All mounting points will be reinforced with block foam where possible just like the perimeters of the wheelwells and hood.

I hope this clarifies some of the questions if any suggestions please let me know.

Thanks.

[porkchop]

This is very interesting and I can only imagine the end result. Keep up the great work man!

[Tiny]

This going to be one bad maama jamaa.

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Seems that I am not making much progress but really I am.

Had a visit from fellow DSMR, Shredwin all the way from St. Marys, Pennsylvania, drove his 1g all the way down here.

We had made some plans to go to the race track as there was a race that weekend, but due to a death in my family, had to change plans, we were able to spend sometime together but not enough, hope next time he is down, things will be different.

I do thank him for showing the interest in seeing my builds and paying the visit.

I think he liked what he saw.
On to what I have done lately.

Removed both 1/4 panels and trial fitted the new parts they are going to go on fine.

The weight removal was not much 40# both sides.
There was a lot of work involved and for some people it may not be worth it, but like I have said before I am a weight nut.
I also removed the Apexi turbo back pipes to the bend on the drivers side the rest I had done before. Although well built It is very heavy this section alone weights 38#, I also took out the heat shield at another 7#.
I still have to widen the front fenders and add flares to it.

I am getting close to start doing some mechanical work which I will enjoy more than my fiber work.

Here are some pics of where I am now, hope everyone enjoys and please feel free to comment or ask questions

[shredwin]

I see your making some progress with it since I last saw it. Im not sure when I will be down that way again, but when I am I will get a hold of you. Im planning to go down towards the end of this year. I will be at the DSM shootout if you are attending that event, I highly recommend going because its always a good time. You still need to see my 2G GSX when I have it all done and running. Keep up the great work I can't wait to see your Talon when its all done and running ready to race.

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Originally Posted by shredwin

I see your making some progress with it since I last saw it. Im not sure when I will be down that way again, but when I am I will get a hold of you. Im planning to go down towards the end of this year. I will be at the DSM shootout if you are attending that event, I highly recommend going because its always a good time. You still need to see my 2G GSX when I have it all done and running. Keep up the great work I can't wait to see your Talon when its all done and running ready to race.

That would be nice, by the end of the year I hope to have this thing well under way, we have kind of laid off the mitsus. since my grand son bought another car for his driving school which will be at Homestead in August. It is a FIAT BRAVA, This car has gone around the family since my son had it before and with it, won the SCCA enduro championship back in 2006 in Florida, sold it later, the guy never did anything with it ,so George got a good deal, it has been sitting for four years, we already started the engine and every thing looks OK so far, the car is not very fast but it is like the energizer battery it keeps going and going.
It is a perfect school car.

Hope you bring your other car when you come down.
Again thanks for the visit

[2literbeatsV8]

You sir are the good kind of daft ...I will be watching this journal quite closely.

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Originally Posted by 2literbeatsV8

You sir are the good kind of daft ...I will be watching this journal quite closely.

Thank you.

[bradselph]

Wow this is awesome, and nice to see someone doing this so close to me.

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Originally Posted by bradselph

Wow this is awesome, and nice to see someone doing this so close to me.

Hey thanks, yes you are close and I may be up that way in the near future we may have a race coming up at the track, also have a friend that is almost up there every week end, as he is planning on moving there and has a lot of his stuff there already, he is building a 914 and also had a 944 before, he has all of that upthere already in fact 2 wks ago he took another 914 roller up there, his name is Ray, he is a real car nut.

I am making all his fiber parts for the 914.

Starting to do some mechanical work, took the complete exhaust system out and it is very heavy from manifold to tip it weights 63# and this does not have a cat just the test pipe I guess with a cat it must be around 70 to 75 #, it is one heavy piece of pipe.

It is not going back on, it will be replaced by aluminum and it will come out right behind the drivers door, I dont have any idea if it will pass a decibel test, I
can save another 50#, plus the shield which weights 6#.

This system comes out 2 1/4 from manifold to flexpipe, from flex pipe to about 12" before muffler it is 2 1/2", the last piece of pipe that attaches to muffler, the 12" piece, seems to be 3", the muffler is an APEXI.

Is this the standard replacement?

If I want to come out from manifold with a 3" pipe to a flex joint also 3", does the flange still has to be 2 1/4 and then expand to 3"?

I am sure the answer is somewhere in the forum but did not find it, also looked at the apexi catalog.

I thank you in advanced for any input.

[bradselph]

That's about a normal replacement for a performance exhaust most get a 3 incher but the downpipes will always be 2.5 at the flange

Your building a race car so why not a race car exhaust basically 3 or for inch exhaust out the side.

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Do you mean coming out the side in front of car?, If so, I cant do that, all road racing groups rules specify the ehx. must come out behind driver.

I could take it out the side right at the bend that goes towards the driver side but that would lower my height, the other option is to go straight back from there, like the normal system and run the 3" all the way back.

Thanks for your input and if you have any other ideas please let me know.

[bradselph]

I remembered about that rule after i posted, but i have seen another car on here that was running the exhaust out the side and it came out threw a hole in the rear panel section in front of the tire.

like this but of out the quarter panel instead of the door. you would need a fuel cell instead of the stock fuel tank to do this.

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Fuel cell is mandatory and already have that, We have another car where the pipe is also coming out the door but had to built an enclosure around it.

I have to get under car again, but taking it out the rear quarter almost to the wheel well may be the way to go, not sure yet, I want to avoid bends.

Thanks.

[bradselph]

Any new updates?

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Been real busy with GS FIAT getting it ready for driving school at Homestead on Aug 25 and 26, this car has been sitting for 4 yrs, so we are trying to go over as much as possible, a low power engine has been built for the school, waiting for some parts to put it in, new brakes , wheel bearings, trans mount, etc.

I have finished the mold for the seat and made one for above car since an instructor has to go in for some laps, they wont let me go as instructor with him, they say I will fail him for sure.

I am starting to get some parts since the glass work is almost all done.

I think I have found a good way to make the subframes connectors, but still have to take more measu.

I hope to have a dashboard done by the end of wk., I have to make 3 total.

Take a look at "farausa" to have a better idea of what we do there, there are some nice videos too.


THANKS FOR ASKING

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Have been pretty busy lately. Here are some pics of the dashboard which I finally made, it turn out better than I expected, some wrinkles but not bad at all.

Also pictures of the 2 seats which I also made, and the plugs and molds.

Will work next on front cap as I have to widen it about 4 inches on each side and add some flares.

I have made a change in plan, and now more than likely, I am going to go with a 1.6-4g61, since they added a break to the class, I can now run this engines in the lower class and be in the same class as my son and some of my friends also will be cheaper on maintenance.

So if anyone has one of these engines please let me know.

This is the plug for dashboard



Since I cant see the pictures I can not tell where I am







I think this is the mold




This is the part




I hope they come out in order

[olmytsi]

Very nice, I'll have to stop by someday to check this thing out in person!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by olmytsi

Very nice, I'll have to stop by someday to check this thing out in person!!!!!!

Well the invitation is still open, so anytime.

[DSM's 4 life]

can't wait for more I'm loveing it.

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Come back tomorrow, I still had more pics but was not able to post them, I was not able to post the seats and they turned out good.

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I ran out of spots for all the pictures I had, so here are the rest of them.
















cleaned and prep

[richard33]

Looking good!! Ill be by in a few weeks to check it all out!

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It has been a while since my last post, I have kept busy doing what I can to the project in my free time.

I have started to trial fit the pieces I already have made, everything has gone into place fairly well, there are no fasteners on any piece, except for some glue just to keep them in place and take shape.

The next step is doing the front fenders spaced out 4 inches to get proper clearance for tires.

Here are the pictures and if any comments or question you may have,I will be glad to answer.

[bradselph]

Wow that looks awsome!

Sorry I still haven't found a 1.6l engine for ya yet but I'm still lookin.

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Thanks
My friend Ray bought a house close to track and he is in the process of moving and I will probably help him out so maybe we can meet in person.
He is also an official at FARAUSA, the club we race down here, maybe you could come down with him to a race.

Thanks and keep looking,