Street Build: '99 GS - SRT4 engine swap

[johnmel]

Dude this is amazing can't wait till your done. I found this video don't know if its a true swap SRT-4/I - YouTube

[NWHTanK]

Thats kewl thanks. Looks like a srt engine dont know on the trans. Intake, valve cover,and more look to be srt.

[arrowhead]

Hi bud, any updates, you should be pretty close to getting this thing on the road, what you are doing is going to help a lot of people, it is sweet.

['97 Cayenne]

This is an awesome build! Never actualy seen this before so it's pretty cool to me. I've only heard talk of these swaps.

One thing i see is with the trans mount bracket the way it is. if you wanted to pull the motor and trans out together, would you have to drop it out the bottom? or is there enough room to move the whole thing around and bring it out topside?

Of course there's always the option of unbolting the trans, dropping that then pulling the engine, but I don't think that's typically how its done

[NWHTanK]

Originally Posted by arrowhead

Hi bud, any updates, you should be pretty close to getting this thing on the road, what you are doing is going to help a lot of people, it is sweet.

Well I have been busy moving two truck loads of tools and equipment into my one car garage. Money is at a freeze till I find a new job. I got canned after 6 years at the shop I was working at. So after some very long thought Ive decided to make a job change.

[NWHTanK]

Originally Posted by '97 Cayenne

This is an awesome build! Never actualy seen this before so it's pretty cool to me. I've only heard talk of these swaps.

One thing i see is with the trans mount bracket the way it is. if you wanted to pull the motor and trans out together, would you have to drop it out the bottom? or is there enough room to move the whole thing around and bring it out topside?

Of course there's always the option of unbolting the trans, dropping that then pulling the engine, but I don't think that's typically how its done

Well when I do get it running I will probly clean and fill all the holes were unused and 420a brackets were. I am all so planing a brake line tuck and modified srt harness tuck as well.Its a tight fit so as not to tear up my future engine bay paint the engine and trans will be bottom drop. With the radiator support outa the way for the time, it can come out the front.
Thats why rad support is not in yet.

[arrowhead]

Originally Posted by NWHTanK

Well I have been busy moving two truck loads of tools and equipment into my one car garage. Money is at a freeze till I find a new job. I got canned after 6 years at the shop I was working at. So after some very long thought Ive decided to make a job change.

Sorry to hear that, that is bad after 6 yrs. Hope whatever you decide to do it will be for the better, but dont give up on the project, sometimes these projects turn into a therapy of some kind when things get rough.

Lots of luck and keep us posted.

arrowhead

[zac83]

First, I really dig this swap! cant wait to see it running!

Tank, I was all over the SRT4 scene when they were just coming out. I broke 500 wheel horsepower on one in 2003 or 04. Theres a video of me driving the car on the UTI dyno back in the day. 'Cept for the guys supported by Dodge/Mopar, we were the first to hit that mark. It's been almost 10 years of not messing with SRT4s at all so my knowledge may be a bit rusty but I've got a few pointers on hickups that you may run into later before or after the car is running.

The SRT4 has a pulsewidth modulated fuel pump and no return line, so, unless you get an SRT4 pump to go with your swap, you'll need to do something like a wally with a return line setup. I think around 350 wheel horses or so the stock pump doesn't cut it anymore. A regular pump with a return line will modify fuel delivery from what the ECU expects, keep that in mind!

The engine bucks like craaazy in an SRT4. I suggest making sure those mounts are doubly reinforced. That subaru piece that you used for a roll stop is a great idea, we busted that stock roll stopper all time time up in the 450 WHP range. Our car was scooting down the track at the 1st SRT nationals in Homme LA at no problem raceway, the torque at 500 ft lbs broke that stopper and smashed the AC lines in a 3-4 shift. I almost needed new pants until I realized it was just R134, lol.

Figure out what 'Mopar level' that engine is set up for and make sure to get the matching ECU for it. I was on my way out of the SRT4 racket at the time but i know one of the stage kits, probably the stage III, had bigger injectors - so you may need to verify that your ECU matches your injectors and all. At least it was supposed to have bigger injectors *shrug*. I'm pretty sure the 1st and 2nd stages didnt modify anything like injectors so they should be good if the injectors are factory size.

Fuel tuning was a PITA on that car back in the day, i dont know what they're using now but S-AFCs and other cheap methods didnt work on SRT4s at the time. I'm sure its much easier now.

That transmission takes a collet style throwout bearing and slave cylinder, It's all a sealed system on an SRT4 so as far as bleeding it, jeez I'm not really sure. Maybe get the master cyl from an SRT4 and plan on running that? I think as the transmission is a stratus or some other bigger V6 engine style dodge transmission, you might find an alternative clutch master cylinder solution on the cheap.

Keep on rockin with this swap! it looks great!

[NWHTanK]

Originally Posted by zac83

First, I really dig this swap! cant wait to see it running!

Tank, I was all over the SRT4 scene when they were just coming out. I broke 500 wheel horsepower on one in 2003 or 04. Theres a video of me driving the car on the UTI dyno back in the day. 'Cept for the guys supported by Dodge/Mopar, we were the first to hit that mark. It's been almost 10 years of not messing with SRT4s at all so my knowledge may be a bit rusty but I've got a few pointers on hickups that you may run into later before or after the car is running.

The SRT4 has a pulsewidth modulated fuel pump and no return line, so, unless you get an SRT4 pump to go with your swap, you'll need to do something like a wally with a return line setup. I think around 350 wheel horses or so the stock pump doesn't cut it anymore. A regular pump with a return line will modify fuel delivery from what the ECU expects, keep that in mind!

The engine bucks like craaazy in an SRT4. I suggest making sure those mounts are doubly reinforced. That subaru piece that you used for a roll stop is a great idea, we busted that stock roll stopper all time time up in the 450 WHP range. Our car was scooting down the track at the 1st SRT nationals in Homme LA at no problem raceway, the torque at 500 ft lbs broke that stopper and smashed the AC lines in a 3-4 shift. I almost needed new pants until I realized it was just R134, lol.

Figure out what 'Mopar level' that engine is set up for and make sure to get the matching ECU for it. I was on my way out of the SRT4 racket at the time but i know one of the stage kits, probably the stage III, had bigger injectors - so you may need to verify that your ECU matches your injectors and all. At least it was supposed to have bigger injectors *shrug*. I'm pretty sure the 1st and 2nd stages didnt modify anything like injectors so they should be good if the injectors are factory size.

Fuel tuning was a PITA on that car back in the day, i dont know what they're using now but S-AFCs and other cheap methods didnt work on SRT4s at the time. I'm sure its much easier now.

That transmission takes a collet style throwout bearing and slave cylinder, It's all a sealed system on an SRT4 so as far as bleeding it, jeez I'm not really sure. Maybe get the master cyl from an SRT4 and plan on running that? I think as the transmission is a stratus or some other bigger V6 engine style dodge transmission, you might find an alternative clutch master cylinder solution on the cheap.

Keep on rockin with this swap! it looks great!

Thanks for the info! Well I manged to find a job at the local autoparts store. The pay is a step few steps backwards but it is close to home so no long trips to work anymore. Got to tough it out for a few years, Im going for manager. Oh and another bonus disscount on parts!

[arrowhead]

Glad to hear about your new job, sure it is a big relief, take your time on the project till you get settled.

[Tooner]

Just read all 8 pages of this thread that I found while searching what to do with an extra 2.4 cloud motor I have sitting around. Nice to see someone continually making progress on a swap. I like this idea keep up the good work man! I drive a srt4 myself, if I can be of any assistance let me know

[NWHTanK]

Originally Posted by Tooner

Just read all 8 pages of this thread that I found while searching what to do with an extra 2.4 cloud motor I have sitting around. Nice to see someone continually making progress on a swap. I like this idea keep up the good work man! I drive a srt4 myself, if I can be of any assistance let me know

Thanks!

[NWHTanK]

Well I managed to get some more parts. A 3 inch cat back,agx for the 4 corners with ksport springs. New sway bars 19m rear,21 mm front. Rear hub and bearings. Rear pads and rotors. Need new rear hoses and the back will be done. Went with hancook evo tires 245/40/17 for the mustang wheels. Still have a tone of parts to buy!

[buhay6]

I'm not a big fan of cutting and chopping up of dsm's or of neon's period buuuttt.........WOW your an inspiration to all of us, great job and hope this new job works out for you. Kinda stupid how you get let go from a job after devoting 6 years to it!
What happened to the rest of the talon shell.....it looked it really good shape!

Major props!

[NWHTanK]

Originally Posted by buhay6

I'm not a big fan of cutting and chopping up of dsm's or of neon's period buuuttt.........WOW your an inspiration to all of us, great job and hope this new job works out for you. Kinda stupid how you get let go from a job after devoting 6 years to it!
What happened to the rest of the talon shell.....it looked it really good shape!

Major props!

Thanks! Havent had much time, so the talon is still in the drive way. As far as the old job, when they own 5 shops and not handing out raises not only to me but others as well then the 50 mile one way comute and un paid training it just got me more agravated, so I didnt care any more. The new job is going great so far and is closer to home. The pro big discount on parts the con the pay. So I have to bust my azz to make manager the best I can. Oh and another con, wierd hrs my weekend was tues and weds this and next week.

[NWHTanK]

After doing some research fond out that the srt suffers the same problem as the dsm. So I orderd a 255 pump and rewire kit should be in next week.

[arrowhead]

Glad to see you are making good progress, before you know it, you will be posting a video.

Anxious to see this baby rolling.

['99GST]

Dude this is crazy! I just read this whole thing and this making me want to go out and start working on mine

[NWHTanK]

Originally Posted by arrowhead

Glad to see you are making good progress, before you know it, you will be posting a video.

Anxious to see this baby rolling.

Well it seams im to busy to work on the car for the time being. So at least I feel I am getting some thing done even if I am piling up a bunch of parts.

[multarnc]

This is an awesome project! I've owned 2 SRT4s, an '04 (stock) and an '05 (stage 2). They get a bad reputation because their owners can be jerks, but the cars are very respectable.
I will be following what you are doing very closely. Keep up the great work!

[NWHTanK]

Originally Posted by multarnc

This is an awesome project! I've owned 2 SRT4s, an '04 (stock) and an '05 (stage 2). They get a bad reputation because their owners can be jerks, but the cars are very respectable.
I will be following what you are doing very closely. Keep up the great work!

Thanks for the reply!

[NWHTanK]

Well ive manged to get some time in the talon tear down.front and rear suspension. The gas tank. The dash and most of the wiring are out.

[Josh97eclipse]

What exhaust is that?

[NWHTanK]

It is a ebay special. 3 inch stainless steal.It was around a hundred bucks shiped

[buhay6]

Originally Posted by NWHTanK

It is a ebay special. 3 inch stainless steal.It was around a hundred bucks shiped

lol nothing wrong with that, no need to get the brand name if its the same shit.

Did you know if they make it for the 1g's? if so I may as well order that to save $$

[NWHTanK]

Well all can find on my ebay was the seller d5_concepts. As far as the manufactur not sure and didnt care since I will have to modify anyways. I liked it for price size and that it was stainless.

[NWHTanK]

Originally Posted by buhay6

I'm not a big fan of cutting and chopping up of dsm's or of neon's period buuuttt.........WOW your an inspiration to all of us, great job and hope this new job works out for you. Kinda stupid how you get let go from a job after devoting 6 years to it!
What happened to the rest of the talon shell.....it looked it really good shape!

Major props!

Well as u can tell by my last post I still have it. Ive been gutting it out slowly and putting the parts aside. Some I will use and some I will sell. The car its self had a hard life when I got it no engine or trans and was beat to death. It had engine parts frombother makes and models in it, so the interor was greasy torn and smelly. So I decided to take it apart piece by piece so as to keep other dsm on the road and to sell or trade for parts that I might need for my car. As far as the shell, it still has good bones but needs a ton of body work. So either to sell as a shell or sell some of structural parts. I know of some one in dire need of strut towers and these ones are in pretty good shape considering the rest of the car.

[arrowhead]

How is the project going, did you make any headways on the hood.

[NWHTanK]

Well lets just say that this has been the crapiest year of my life with any thing and every that could go wrong has. The project has been shelved for the time being in order to make room for changes going on that have affected me mentaly physicaly and my wallet. So the project is on hold.

[arrowhead]

Sorry to hear it, hope things get better for you.