obx lsd [Merged 5-7] limited slip phantom grip

[kar king]

i as a vendor have seen alot mike is right there are other options and theres diffrent prices and high price doesn't always mean the best!!!!!

but when companies low ball prices that falls into what us vendors call
"cut throat dept." and that isn't cool either our company invested alot
of time and money in actual r and d ... and me personally have offered group
buys on this site to help you all out at a very nice price
and i want to say thanks for everyone that has bought one from me
and hope they all post something about it i personally think our quality is superior
from all the others and i'm sure theres someone out there that will agree...

and for those who think we as companies make a killing i wish i could
show you the books you'd be very surprised......
thanks for the space and putting up with me!
your one and only king!........1 800 843 8349
george martin

Moderator Edit-L2RTSiAWD-Please don't post about pricing or availability of your products outside the vendor forum

[Phantomhp]

I would like to extend out my appreciation for the members here who have supported me and have seen the real reason I posted and that I am only trying to help out where I can. Thanks also to kar king as its is awsome to have another vendor notice and support another company.

As for the OBX LSD's. I am taking down the ideas from the posts and from the PM's I have got and taking them to OBX to see what we can do about getting these developed and out to all the DSM owners. Since I have authorization and full support from oBX to make new products this shouldn't be a problem at all. Just a matter of fine tuning details and what is desired in the LSD and then just patience.

OBX puts a lot of testing into their LSD's to make sure they will handle what consumers will put them through from everyday drivers to full out drag sport compacts.

Whatever Info I get from OBX I will pass along and I hope to pass along good news to the members here. If I get clearance and the ok from OBX that we can get these into production I will let everybody know here ASAP and will possibly start a new Topic in the actual vendor forum at that point and time. OBX may want some kind of list to show how many people would have interest in buying if this product was released.

I will let the members here know once I get more info from OBX on this.

Thanks,
Mike Holton
Phantom Performance
Owner/GM
phantomhp.com

[jtmcinder]

Useful DSM diffs that no-one else makes:

T2R front (instead of a T2 front)
T2 or T2R rear, preferably the latter, but I doubt that there's room
40/60 planetary center (since 35/65 is overkill)

- Jtoby

[Phantomhp]

I will pass along all the ideas of what styles to make to the GM of OBX and see what he wants to do from there.

He was in production meetings all day so couldnt contact him so it will be tomorrow before I talk to him.

Maybe he will allow us to produce all the units necessary to appeal to all dsm owners.

Thanks,
Mike

[chefcg1]

I would like to pass on some of my observations after my install of this unit. First off the install was a piece of cake, no shimming, and no having to buy a speedo gear. I have about 300 miles on the unit now and it has performed very well. Actually I can’t tell the difference from my stock unit and this one until I give it a little throttle and then the difference is apparent. Both front wheels lock up immediately and now my GS-T finally has some traction. I put a new clutch disk in at the same time as the kormex LSD so I haven’t made real hard launches yet but I have done a few full throttle 2nd and third gear pulls. Torque steer is gone and both wheels are hooking up..nice twin black rubber streaks. My car is heavily modded and I run 26psi on a 60-1 turbo., No actual dyno time but should be somewhere around 500hp. I still spin through 3rd gear, but the traction is there and the violent wheel hop I used to get in third gear is pretty much gone. I will post a better review after I get some more miles on my clutch and hopefully get some time at the track to see what my new found traction does for me.

I would like to mention that dealing with kar king (George) was a pleasure and I’m very happy with there product and pricing. Thanks George for bring all us DSMers a quality product at a budget cost!

Thanks, Chuck

[ACM]

On what data do you base this opinion JT ?

I have a 35/65 centre diff in my car now, and I assure you it is in no way overkill - in fact a 30/70 unit may be even more useful. I certainly would not reduce the split one iota.

I would very much like to see your justification supporting this position.

Charles

Originally Posted by jtmcinder

Useful DSM diffs that no-one else makes:

40/60 planetary center (since 35/65 is overkill)

- Jtoby

[jtmcinder]

Charles -

I base it on weight distribution at 1g acceleration for a near-full-weight 2G with a 1" drop. You want more because you autocross. Most people do not want to do this and the Great Unwashed would just kill themselves with such a rear bias.

Now that the rear is fixed, are you pulling the center VC out?

- Jtoby

[ACM]

The only reason I would pull this Cusco out is to put an LSD-ing version in.

And then this one would go into my street car (unless I had 2 LSD-ing versions).


You need to drive it first, trust me. And then you'll see why a 30/70 could well be a better split.

Charles

[jtmcinder]

On further thought, I think I can already see why: http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177137

- Jtoby

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by jtmcinder

Useful DSM diffs that no-one else makes:

T2R front (instead of a T2 front)
T2 or T2R rear, preferably the latter, but I doubt that there's room
40/60 planetary center (since 35/65 is overkill)

- Jtoby

Hey Mike Does OBX have the resources to make the above mentioned or is it looking at present exsisting models for our cars?

[Phantomhp]

Honestly, I think they have the resources would just take a bit longer due to alittle more R&D.

Right now all I can really say is they could just go with the same style quaife has done but I am pushing to get your guys whatever style and features you are wanting. Been hard getting ahold of the GM as he went to the branch in NY this week so having to talk through email.

I will keep you posted on updates.

Mike

[nazthug]

i hate to say it, and its not a negative at all, its actually smart business, but there cant be much RD going on at OBX, they simply re-engineer products

I mean you cant tell me they develop their own stuff when you see the catalogue they sent me.

Earls fittings, EXACT replicas, blue and red and all.

They even have an exhaust for accords that DC came up with a few years back, that twin loop weird thing, where the pipes goes into the muffler,around, and back into it...dont tell me thats RD that OBX came up with..lol

Everything, absolutely everything OBX i can find you an exact same product from another company.

Again, its not a negative thing, its just a different way of doin business, and as long as the products are of high quality, more power to them, brings the prices down

[jtmcinder]

Mike -

You could mention that some people have this crazy idea that OBX copies other people's stuff so that coming out with something that no-one else makes would be great PR.

Seriously.

- Jtoby

[Phantomhp]

Ok, let me ask you this then.

If I gave you a product to replicate......and you made it...would you turn around and have enough faith in yourself with out testing (R&D) to just start selling it to customers???

I know I would do that. Just because you can replicate something doesnt mean it would work the same. Not to mention I have seen multiple companies with parts that look the same. I know OBX replicated for the most part but most every company replicates in one way or another if you want to get technical about it.

If I get OBX to make these LSD's for the DSM's....would you buy one right off the shelf if I said it was never tested once??? or how many members here would do that??? I know even me a a business owner still wouldnt do that.

There is more to r&d than coming up with an idea...it involves testing of your new product as well.

As for what your saying jtmcinder I totally agree. I am going to push to get what you guys want as I would like to bring something very new to the market for the dsm crowd. Was there ever a decision on which type of split was wanted??

Thanks,
Mike

[jtmcinder]

Originally Posted by nazthug

Again, its not a negative thing, its just a different way of doin business, and as long as the products are of high quality, more power to them, brings the prices down

Are you really that naive or selfish and short-sighted? (Sorry to be blunt.) Don't you realize that R&D will only happen if the creative company has a chance of recouping the investment (plus some profit)? Do you understand the basic concept behind the patent? (Not the letter of the law; the concept.) Are you fluent in Mandarin (yet)?

Grow up, people!

- Jtoby

[jtmcinder]

Originally Posted by Phantomhp

There is more to r&d than coming up with an idea...it involves testing of your new product as well.

Oh, give me an effing break. Don't try to pretend that R&D and QA are the same damned thing to excuse ripping off the ideas of another company. That's pure BS and the only people who try to sell such stories are those that have already sold their effing soul.

If OBX is ready to do some actual work: I'd say around 30/70. Charles might want it even more extreme but what he really wants is a 30/70 T2 (instead of a 30/70 planetary). Lotsa luck on that one, but if you can get one made, I'll crawl to you office and beg forgiveness.

- Jtoby

[Phantomhp]

Dude, you have some serious mood swings.

First, Ill ask you the same thing. If i was to replicate a product and do no testing what so ever would you buy it?? no you wouldnt because the fear of it not working is there.

Dont sit over there and try and tell me that there is no r&D even if your replicating a product.

You still have an idea (to make that product)...you have to research it ( take it apart...see how its made...measurments...materials)....then you have to actually produce the product...then you have to test ( to make sure the thing works).

If you want I can get these dsm lsd's made and do no testing at all...would that make you feel good about it....i am sure the members here would like testing done.

I will do what I can for the members here....honestly the disrespect you keep giving me is unappreciated and by no means am I doing this for you or any applologies. I know what goes on....how obx does alot of their produceing. I didnt start this group buy so jumping on me needs to stop...i am just trying to salvage what was started on a lie.

I am by no means trying to say what OBX does is right or moral but apparantly it works as they have been in business for a long time now. If I can get the same part for half the price and the same warranty....better believe I am going with that one. OBX gets bashed alot for bringing great parts to customers at a low price....but if they up the price then people would cry about that as well.

[jtmcinder]

Originally Posted by Phantomhp

If i was to replicate a product and do no testing what so ever would you buy it?? no you wouldnt because the fear of it not working is there.

You missed my deeper point, which isn't that surprising since you still seem to have R&D and QA confounded.

Even if you tested it, I wouldn't buy it. I don't buy stuff out of the trunks of cars even if it would save me money. I like the serial numbers to be readable. I am an author. I take the protection of intellectual property seriously. I am also a car-nut. I don't want people to stop developing new automotive toys because they can never make money because some French plant full of Chinese workers with EU work-permits has copied it.

Mood swings??? Let me tell you about my mood swings.

- Jtoby

[Phantomhp]

I wont buy everything for my cars from OBX no....but a lot of their parts I would. I am a car nut as well as I have everything from classics, to 4 bangers, v6's and even a v8. I am not just some little kid trying to sell a few parts to get lunch money.

For someone to be such a car nut and treat a new vendor the way you have treated me isn't something I would tolerate on any of my boards. Expecially since you are not exactly the low guy on the food chain here.

I may be a business owner and I tolerate alot but with your lack of respect it's extremely hard to so...

Me and you are done talking now ...

Mike

[Phantomhp]

DSM Members who are interested in seeing this happen....

Post up any ideas or comments that you have for this product. Any information is extremely helpful in helping me and OBX determine what types of LSD's would be the best to build.

You can also PM your ideas to me if needed.

Sometime soon I will probably be making a new thread to get a list started to see what type of interest there would be and show OBX about how many LSD's to make once in productions.

Thanks,
Mike

[nazthug]

phantom, here's a bit of advice, stop being such a salesguy and just talk openly

I understand you slang obx, nothin wrong with that, but there are some things that you gotta just be open about

I understand there are some designs you cant just make differnt every time, this is basic shit, no need to even try to use that as an excuse

Im talking about OBX literally taking EVERYSINGLE product out there and duplicating it

All this testing BS i keep hearing about...i am VERY sceptical about, dude, pick up that catalog, im sure you have it

Do you really think they test H2 hummer headers for fit and performance? Do you REALLY think they designed and tested a 2.5L boxer turbo header system that they sell? , give me a break, i KNOW they dont

They literaly have THOUSANDS of applications...no way in hell are all those tested, designed by using the actual car, performance tested and fit tested..absolutely not

This again may not be bad because they are COPYING existing products that have been proven....exact replicas....nothing new designed, they simple change just enough to get by legally...we all know this

OBX are a different breed of business people, i still would love to see how that company operates, its one hell of a business, i gotta give it to those guys....they pulled off something HUGE, out of no where

I remember like 5 years ago calling obx and some lady picked up the phone, sounded like in a house, and was callin what sounded like her son or something, just real ghetto....

things must have changed, but with al the