Well, that seems to be better news than worse. I think you're probably ok! T/O bearing could still be shot after a year depending, but, you wouldn't think. Yeah, the weather doesn't look like it is going to cooperate. I'm really getting sick of the Northeast. Well, let's hope for the best and see what happens. We may have a rain date for our track rental, we'll see. If not, chances are I'm done for the year. I don't like racing when it's in the 40's. My nose is running, everything including the track and driveline parts are cold. Sure, power will be optimal, but, whatever. It's just not the optimal situation. Chances of me trying to go to a test & tune are slim as well. All day for 5 or so passes and having to immediately return to the staging lanes to ensure as many passes as possible also sucks.
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60' 1.48
ET 11.49
MPH 116.85
14b power!
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Yeah i hear that. Test and tune nights aren't the greatest for letting a dsm cool down well. I'm happy to know that the noise isn't actually inside the transmission case, but still after that work putting everything in and cleaning everything up and painting everything nice, i'm pissed to have that noise when i lubed it all up good. What the hell. But i'll just put some race gas in her and trailer her up there if the weather doesn't look too bad. I need to start getting some necessary tools together to take with me to the track. Mine as well since i'll have my truck to put it in.
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Personal Best:
12.00 on 16G
12.42 @ 113 on 14b
Even lubed up its the bearing themsleves and it's sealed so nothing you can do about it but replace it. No biggie. Just time. Better than something internal.
Im rooting for you and I bet if you get a clean pass you'll be back down where you were before.
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60' 1.48
ET 11.49
MPH 116.85
14b power!
Thanks for the props. The car spends most of it's time on the track but i still drive it on the street here and there. Right now it's really driveable and i would like to keep it a street/strip car with final goals of running high tens on race gas/methanol and mid- low 11's on pump gas via a HX-35 turbo and some more weight mods. I have a few steps before i get there, but like i said, those are my final goals for the car.
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Personal Best:
12.00 on 16G
12.42 @ 113 on 14b
Wow, I am running just a step behind you. I too missed that 3-4 shift and caused problems. My problem is oil running out everywhere, not sure what exactly happened yet, hopefully tearing into it tonight and tomorrow. If your 1/8th of 8.21 estimates to 12.85 in the 1/4, my 8.23 didn't have me far off that pace! Good to know she probably had a 13.0 or so in her even at low boost. Now I have to clean it up and see what happens next year, we both should be well into the 12's.
Are you going to be able to get out again this year?
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Shane Webster 1990 14b Talon AWD
So i took the car for a lap around the neighborhood today to see if it would start. Everything seemed ok for the most part. The throw out bearing noise was actually a little quieter since the last time i took the car out and went through the gears.
Today on the way back to the house i floored it while rolling in first and shifted around 7000 rpms in second and third and it went into the gears just fine but it seemed a bit notchy going in to second. I feel that a couple trips down the track and i'll be right where i started, with a trans that shifts but grinds going in to second. I also feel that i have to ease this trans in to first gear a lot more than the old one with out it grinding. If your at a dead stop you have to ease it in to first and it must be below 1500 rpms or it will grind.
It seems like after a while both transmissions will be in the same shape, but both good candidates for a rebuild/upgrade. I don't have the $ for that, which is why i installed a used trans in the first place.
Any suggestions?
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Personal Best:
12.00 on 16G
12.42 @ 113 on 14b
The stuff that all of the trans shops have been raving about lately, they claim it's like gold...well it costs about the same : EVO MR 6speed gear oil.
With a discount from satan, it was $84 for about 4quarts comes in a metal can.
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Personal Best:
12.00 on 16G
12.42 @ 113 on 14b
I haven't heard a lot about it, haven't really been researching it lately either though. But it's not like you're using some crappy stuff off the shelf, so no real way to help there. DSM trannies can be a pain in the butt that's for sure, best bet is to see how far it'll take you and save up for a rebuild imho, obviously some people have used sycromesh/syncroshift and gotten a few more miles out of trans since it basically "band-aids" the problem for a little while. But I think most of the reputable trans builders are now highly against using it.
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Shane Webster 1990 14b Talon AWD
I haven't heard a lot about it, haven't really been researching it lately either though. But it's not like you're using some crappy stuff off the shelf, so no real way to help there. DSM trannies can be a pain in the butt that's for sure, best bet is to see how far it'll take you and save up for a rebuild imho, obviously some people have used sycromesh/syncroshift and gotten a few more miles out of trans since it basically "band-aids" the problem for a little while. But I think most of the reputable trans builders are now highly against using it.
i know what you mean. Back in the day "'2002 ish" syncroshift was the stuff, now i keep seeing trans shops saying that they don't recomend it.
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Personal Best:
12.00 on 16G
12.42 @ 113 on 14b
I have used BG synchroshift for as long as I can remember....
Not the II synthetic....the standard BG synchroshift......
Screw the tranny shops......
I did a lot of reading up on this since i believe that my original trans started to eat the syncros mainly because i put in the Royal Purple gear oil GL4 &5 requirements. From what I read about the syncroshift, the shops were saying for a low power build (14b cars in that category obviously) the syncroshift does great, but under the heavy loads of higher torque set ups it doesn't last as long. I had syncro shift in my white car and i raced that alot with out troubles, then eventually the grinding started.
All I know is every awd dsm trans i've owned, after racing the syncros run away to their mom.
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Personal Best:
12.00 on 16G
12.42 @ 113 on 14b
I did a lot of reading up on this since i believe that my original trans started to eat the syncros mainly because i put in the Royal Purple gear oil GL4 &5 requirements. From what I read about the syncroshift, the shops were saying for a low power build (14b cars in that category obviously) the syncroshift does great, but under the heavy loads of higher torque set ups it doesn't last as long. I had syncro shift in my white car and i raced that alot with out troubles, then eventually the grinding started.
All I know is every awd dsm trans i've owned, after racing the syncros run away to their mom.
Ahhhhh...I see.......
I think the wearing of the factory aluminum shift forks with the drag race shifting helps those syncros along too.......
What are these guys using for fluid then?
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60' 1.48
ET 11.49
MPH 116.85
14b power!
Shep is recommending lightweight shockproof for drag racing and MT-90 if you plan on dailying/weekend joy riding. I want to say TRE hasn't changed their recommendations at all. And I have no idea what "Jack's" is saying. I run lightweight and planned on switching to MT-90 for the winter.
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Shane Webster 1990 14b Talon AWD
Shep is recommending lightweight shockproof for drag racing and MT-90 if you plan on dailying/weekend joy riding. I want to say TRE hasn't changed their recommendations at all. And I have no idea what "Jack's" is saying. I run lightweight and planned on switching to MT-90 for the winter.
This is so funny! It was recommended to me to run lightweight shockproof way back when the synchros started to go in my original tranny, it didn't help, but when I pulled it apart everything was coated in blue. It was like syrup. Back then I remember people badmouthing using Redline in our cars. They all said that "was for Hondas."
I was thinking by tranny shops Travis meant the local tranny shop, not like Shep or TRE
Times change I guess.
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60' 1.48
ET 11.49
MPH 116.85
14b power!
After the dsmlink test and tune drag day had gotten rescheduled twice due to rain, the third date i wake up to nothing but steady rain. The weather for the Hagerstown, MD showed it to clear up by now so i didn't cancel my trailer reservation with in the required 24hrs. At this point i was committed to rent the trailer and i figured worst case i would see how my truck did pulling the 1G. I get to the U-Haul shop 15 minutes before they open, and i'm the first customer helped. They tell me that they do not have a trailer for me . They said they meant to have me reschedule again since they had one sent out for repairs, but i never got a call. So at this point I figured the track would be canceled due to rain AGAIN, so i told them to cancel my reservation and not to charge me. I went home and looked at the weather and an hour and 15 min up the road looked nice. Luckily Tom from ECMtuning posted a reply on the thread for the track day and he said the weather was great so come on up.
A friend and I drove our 1g's up the road for about an hour and 15 min and made it to Mason Dixon. There was actually about a dozzen dsm's/GVR4's. I think the fastest car out of our group was a 2g w/ a HX-40 that ran a 11.0. Most of us were having troubles getting a good 60' because at this track the wet box is almost unavoidable.
1) My first pass i spun (water) and i missed second. I got it in to second and it bogged and i clocked a 13.9.
2) I then hot lapped and got back in line determined to hit 2nd gear. I spun (water) and grabbed second gear with it still bogging in second. As i went through the top end of the track the car was breaking up and i peeked at the boost gauge that was reading about 23-24 psi. This pass netted a 12.9
3) I went to the pits and tried to lower the boost a little bit. I was talking to the guys and was thinking that it was probably time i go a heat range cooler on my spark plugs at this point. Before i went back out, one of the guys said he was about to swap in some BRP8ES' in to his car and I could use his BRP7ES'. So i swapped them in and took another pass with the adjusted boost level.
I did my best to avoid the giant wet box and pulled up to the staging lights as i looked at the trails of water ahead of me. I gave the car next to me a courteous stage light (single bulb, and once he was staged i fully staged). The car i was racing was the 11.0 sec 2g. The lights dropped, i took my time getting my revs right around 5500 rpm, and i left the line with a 3.** sec R/T. I grabbed second gear and i think i was scared to let the clutch out a bit as it still bogged a bit . I went through third and fourth gears with the car pulling with out any issues at this point and saw the gauge holding a steady 18psi.
My third pass i got my time slip and headed to the pits. My buddy said i spun off the line. I got a 1.92 60' which i was not happy about (stupid wet box), but i trapped a 12.699 @ 110 mph. This i was happy about. I had a goal of running 12.7 yesterday and i finished my season (and the last of my C-16 supply) with a 12.699. I considered this a win and i packed up the car and left the track.
The only adjustments i did at the race track from my street trim were: Ran on straight C-16, set radial tires to about 25psi, removed passenger head light, and after my first two passes I swapped the plugs and lowered the boost to 18.
This test and tune was worth the wait. I'll be eager to hit Capitol next year for a better 60' and E/T. More work will be done to the car before next season but I think i'm done racing the car till then as i'm out of race gas and have no tuning on the car. Feed back as always is welcome.
Travis
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Personal Best:
12.00 on 16G
12.42 @ 113 on 14b
Not bad at all, I think you know where all/most of the issues are, so I won't comment too much on those haha. It's always nice to hit your goals, 12.699 on a 14b is nothing to sneeze at either, there are plenty of people with much larger setups who can't do as much. Get that 60ft time down and you'll be doing great next year! Congrats!
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Shane Webster 1990 14b Talon AWD
Your trap speeds suggest 12.2-12.3 ET's for sure. So, you're within .30 of your best 12.42 on your first outing in a long time.....awesome......
...bogging when hitting 2nd gear??? that's weird......definitely want to figure that issue out.....
Yeah, hooking that 60' is the key to ET in a 14b car, unless it's built like Joe B. or Dave W. They are very dependent on tackling the first 1/8 as best as possible, we're just on for the ride for the second 1/8....
Nice job, glad you got a day in before seasons' end.
Don't do a thing to the car before next year. Just spend the money at the dragstrip..............
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60' 1.48
ET 11.49
MPH 116.85
14b power!
When i fueled up for the long drive home, i accidentally put about 3/4 tank of gas in so i have to do a lot of driving to get down to 1/8 tank. By then the tracks will be closed. Plus i don't have a connection on cheap race gas anymore.
If i do anything between now and next race season, I'm considering:
DSMlink Lite (basic dsmlink package - not available for 1g's yet) $345
Manual Steering Rack $215 ish
Aem Wideband package $218
Tial 44mm wasteagate to go on the PR o2 housing on the shelf $356 new
2 new tires for left side to match right 225/50/16 BFG KDW $70 ea (on sale for almost 1/2 off)
Poly Bushings for rear end and mustache bushings $170 on sale this month
Rear toe eliminators $200
KYB AGX shocks for rear $190
I'm thinking i may have to jump on those tires since they're almost half off. I would also like to grab that manual rack. I don't see too many of them for sale and would really like one on my car eventually.
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Personal Best:
12.00 on 16G
12.42 @ 113 on 14b
Get me some weight numbers on the racks if you get the chance haha! Sounds like your plans are pretty good, man how the money adds up though.
What did the rest of the timeslips look like? 1/8th et and mph?
Ditto.....
That's one thing I never included in my weight reduction is a manual rack, I was told it's only about a 3 lbs difference. Remember I have all the lines, pump, bracket and basin out, so it would just be the rack. The main reason for me not taking it out is that I would want it for road racing. The power rack ratio is 15.8 to 1 which is a bit lazy compared to EVO 8/9 at 13 to 1, but the manual rack is like 22 or 24 to 1......super lazy........
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60' 1.48
ET 11.49
MPH 116.85
14b power!
I heard that the total weight savings from power steering to manual rack is 17 pounds but i don't know where that weight would come from.
1) 60': 1.99 1/8: 9.27 @ 83.25 1/4: 13.93 @ 105.90 (missed second gear and then got in)
2) 60': 1.963 1/8: 8.39 @ 83.51 1/4: 12.93 @ 108.90 (still spinning in 1st & breaking up on top end- boost to high with out tuning)
3) 60': 1.93 1/8: 8.22 @ 85.99 1/4: 12.69 @ 110.44 (spinning in 1st gear- no breaking up- lowered boost to 18 psi and switched plugs to BRP7ES')
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Personal Best:
12.00 on 16G
12.42 @ 113 on 14b
I heard that the total weight savings from power steering to manual rack is 17 pounds but i don't know where that weight would come from.
1) 60': 1.99 1/8: 9.27 @ 83.25 1/4: 13.93 @ 105.90 (missed second gear and then got in)
2) 60': 1.963 1/8: 8.39 @ 83.51 1/4: 12.93 @ 108.90 (still spinning in 1st & breaking up on top end- boost to high with out tuning)
3) 60': 1.93 1/8: 8.22 @ 85.99 1/4: 12.69 @ 110.44 (spinning in 1st gear- no breaking up- lowered boost to 18 psi and switched plugs to BRP7ES')
I'm not sure either, wonder if that includes all the rest of the set up?
Oh yeah....just the way your car sits you can run near or beat your best of 12.42.....It's all in that launch.....I say don't change anything and get back out there and whittle it down before anything.......that's me though....
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60' 1.48
ET 11.49
MPH 116.85
14b power!
Well i have been driving the car around town and to work and the pump gas is slowly working is way out of the tank. I have about a half tank now so i still have a bit of driving to do.
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Personal Best:
12.00 on 16G
12.42 @ 113 on 14b
There's a drain plug at the bottom of the 1g awd gas tank...get it done
Thanks for posting the numbers, I do agree with Phil that 12.4 is attainable with what you have going on currently. Getting that 60ft down a tenth of two and getting that 1-2 shift figured out and you'll be cruising. Looking at your timeslip you gained quite a bit after the 1st 1/8th, for reference my 1/8th et was a 100th slower and my mph almost exactly the same for my 13.6, even with the top half (ie not missing 4th) there is no way I was enroute to a 12.69, you're making good power to make that 1/8th into a 12.69 1/4! Now get that 1st 1/8 down better!
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Shane Webster 1990 14b Talon AWD
Yeah getting the 60' back down in the 1.7's shouldn't be hard once i get to a track that i can drive around the wet box. Some adjustable rear shocks would probably let me work my way down to a 1.6* 60' as i did with my old car. I'm really happy with how far this car has come base on the circumstances.
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Personal Best:
12.00 on 16G
12.42 @ 113 on 14b
. They said they meant to have me reschedule again since they had one sent out for repairs, but i never got a call. So at this point I figured the track would be canceled due to rain AGAIN, so i told them to cancel my reservation and not to charge me. I went home and looked at the weather and an hour and 15 min up the road looked nice. Luckily Tom from ECMtuning posted a reply on the thread for the track day and he said the weather was great so come on up. 
