Great project log you have. I even referred back to it for when I was building mine.
I agree. I'm in the process of rebuilding my 7bolt and I be printing this out and following it step by step. Thanks for this log you put together blacknspooln
Thanks guys, the car has gone a long way. I've recently run into a big bump in the road with my snow performance meth kit, so I haven't been able to do much. I'll be reporting back with an install walkthrough for the meth kit and some other goodies I've done along the way. Sooner or later I'm going to convert this to a tech article.
Not to sure if I posted up, but I ran the car a couple of weeks ago at Island Dragway. This was with zero traction through first, crap tune, and no NLTS.
Thanks guys, the car has gone a long way. I've recently run into a big bump in the road with my snow performance meth kit, so I haven't been able to do much. I'll be reporting back with an install walkthrough for the meth kit and some other goodies I've done along the way. Sooner or later I'm going to convert this to a tech article.
Not to sure if I posted up, but I ran the car a couple of weeks ago at Island Dragway. This was with zero traction through first, crap tune, and no NLTS.
12.1@117
12.1@117
12.2@116
So I'd say she's being pretty consistent
And you'll be running 11's with that meth kit. Get your ass to the track in a few weeks and we'll see who can hit 11.5 first!
Tom, happened to come across this post in my bookmarks today. This will come in real handy when I start putting together the new motor. Expect tons of calls from me this winter!
Tom, happened to come across this post in my bookmarks today. This will come in real handy when I start putting together the new motor. Expect tons of calls from me this winter!
yup, just give me a call man
I keep forgetting about this thread, I really should get around to converting it to a tech article one of these days. I've been good bill, you? How's those crazy BW turbos you've been messing around with? I'm still jealous of your job! When are you coming up so I can give you a ride?
I went to island dragway last friday and had some horrible luck with NLTS. It was KICKING MY ASS. After I realized my error (bigT helped me out with a new set of spark plugs too), I quickly gained back some momentum.
13.09@110
14.00@96
14.05@106
*turned OFF NLTS*
12.76@116
12.96@114
12.18@116
12.03@118
This was all done at the same boost level of ~23.5psi and an awesome 20* of peak timing on 93/meth Sadly, 11's still elude me. I hope to go to the track again sometime in July to try and finally get there. I'm really optimistic, considering that I want to go back at around 28psi and hopefully the same amount of timing.
here she is at island with turbotaloon next to her:
no secret to success here, my 12.03 log is attached:
Tom, don't worry about the plugs. I'm always here to help. We are both so close to 11's its not even funny. Let me know next time you want to go out. Hopefully we both get some more bugs worked out and finally make some decent passes.
Great thread, and man, i feel you guy's pain...11's have eluded me for years...best of 12.08 @ 117 MPH Hopefully the fever spread across the US if any of us ever catch it...the 11 second fever for those who aren't oo quick on the uptake
Tom, why don't you lean it out to about 11.0:1 to make a little more power? Right now it is like factory air/fuel numbers. If you do that and it doesn't knock you should be in the 11's.
Tom, don't worry about the plugs. I'm always here to help. We are both so close to 11's its not even funny. Let me know next time you want to go out. Hopefully we both get some more bugs worked out and finally make some decent passes.
Thanks T, I definitely want to go very soon. I need to work out my boost issue (wasn't holding above 24 that night) and tune her a little better. We'll get there man!
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Tom, why don't you lean it out to about 11.0:1 to make a little more power? Right now it is like factory air/fuel numbers. If you do that and it doesn't knock you should be in the 11's.
I've tried and the car does not like leaner than ~10.7ish, so I tuned it to be a bit richer. With further research over on the link forums, posts have indicated that gasoline afr's are quite different than gas/meth afr's. I'm not sure if you're familiar, but it surprised me. Supposedly 11:1 on the gasoline afr is a lot leaner if you're really injecting methanol. That would explain a lot if I was knocking at 11:1 like I was before and zero timing was added. Another tip I have yet to try is to convert my UEGO to lambda value, since that is the true value we should be tuning to. opinions?
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Originally Posted by turboglenn
Great thread, and man, i feel you guy's pain...11's have eluded me for years...best of 12.08 @ 117 MPH Hopefully the fever spread across the US if any of us ever catch it...the 11 second fever for those who aren't oo quick on the uptake
yes yes, this 11's chase is killing me! I only went twice this year, but both times have been a huge disappointment, especially since I built this motor to be an 11.5s pump car. Well, then again, it's really the driver mod that is killing me
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What was the problem with the NLTS?
I don't quite know yet. I suspect the purple/orange NLTS wire may have been wired into the wrong cruise wire, but it works fine 90% of the time. My problem is that I rest my foot on my clutch when I race (preempt to shifting, I suppose) and I mistakenly activate it all the time. I can't help it, so I just turned NLTS off.
I don't quite know yet. I suspect the purple/orange NLTS wire may have been wired into the wrong cruise wire, but it works fine 90% of the time. My problem is that I rest my foot on my clutch when I race (preempt to shifting, I suppose) and I mistakenly activate it all the time. I can't help it, so I just turned NLTS off.
I do the exact same thing, I wish the trigger on the clutch pedal worked by the clutch hitting the floor, not just anytime it moves from "free rest" for lack of a better word. Sometimes i'll use NLTS and then i don't take my foot off the pedal all the way and it just kills my run, that's why i haven't used it on the strip yet, only when practicing shifts with it ( i keep trying to get fast enough to let off just right, but 1 out of every 3 times it messes me up more than it helps)
I do the exact same thing, I wish the trigger on the clutch pedal worked by the clutch hitting the floor, not just anytime it moves from "free rest" for lack of a better word. Sometimes i'll use NLTS and then i don't take my foot off the pedal all the way and it just kills my run, that's why i haven't used it on the strip yet, only when practicing shifts with it ( i keep trying to get fast enough to let off just right, but 1 out of every 3 times it messes me up more than it helps)
There are 2 switches on the clutch pedal. One on the bottom would require a relay, but you will have a hard time trying to launch because as soon as you come off of the floor, the launch control deactivates and your rpms shoot to the limiter. Makes for some smokey burn outs but not so nice for launching. The best way is to wire in a separate momentary swith in the line that you just hold down when you want to use it. If you got creative enough, you could probably run one on the shifter for when it is in first gear only. Obviously this is for launch control, but you could try something like that for NLTS too. Or try to use the bottom switch (if you have separate inputs for launch control and NLTS)
There are 2 switches on the clutch pedal. One on the bottom would require a relay, but you will have a hard time trying to launch because as soon as you come off of the floor, the launch control deactivates and your rpms shoot to the limiter. Makes for some smokey burn outs but not so nice for launching. The best way is to wire in a separate momentary swith in the line that you just hold down when you want to use it. If you got creative enough, you could probably run one on the shifter for when it is in first gear only. Obviously this is for launch control, but you could try something like that for NLTS too. Or try to use the bottom switch (if you have separate inputs for launch control and NLTS)
Ooh, where's this bottom switch ona 2g? I'm on it, i can configure a number of inputs and outputs to work with any type of switch on my ECU really, so the sooner i can find this the sooner i will have something new to experiment with
Ooh, where's this bottom switch ona 2g? I'm on it, i can configure a number of inputs and outputs to work with any type of switch on my ECU really, so the sooner i can find this the sooner i will have something new to experiment with
Hmm, well that is weird. I just checked the 2g outside and it doesn't have 2. My 1g had 2 switches on the clutch pedal. I forget what one of them is for but there are 2 on a 1g. Sorry for assuming
blcknspo0ln, when is the last time you updated your software?
I bought DSMLink in 09/2006. I wonder if there was an update since then, I'll check it out.
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Originally Posted by wishihadatalon
Hmm, well that is weird. I just checked the 2g outside and it doesn't have 2. My 1g had 2 switches on the clutch pedal. I forget what one of them is for but there are 2 on a 1g. Sorry for assuming
I was going to say, I don't really remember there being 2 switches
Yea, if you have not updated the software since you purchased it lol, there have been a few updates come out since 2006. Infact you may have one of the older versions of software that had a few "bugs" in the NLTS" If so that may be part of your problem with it.
It's the same assembly lube I've been using the entire build. I've used a thin layer of motor oil all the same.
Now, a nice update to my build. not.
I went 12.03@118 at 23psi pump 93. She had plenty more to go when I was tuning her at 30-31psi and dropping to about 26psi by 8500, no doubt 122-123 by then. Then, I spun a bearing. I was driving the car about a week ago when the motor started to knock VERY loudly. It's the worst sound I've ever had the displeasure to hear (not the first time, it's unmistakable). Tear down ensues as I'm trying to gain enough knowledge/courage to build the shortblock myself: thread here. I guess it just goes to show that the weakest link is always something that you don't do yourself
Shortblock apart:
Headgasket is 100%:
It didn't leave as much a residue as I had thought with the copper spray:
I was very angry/upset with the car for dieing like that (must have saw the 'i want to sell the talon' thread ) so I buttoned everything up and took a break:
After completing martin's (liquidnote), I got the itch to clean up the engine bay and paint it. With the motor out and my NON-desire to spend money on the car, this kept me busy for a day or two. I cleaned, sanded with 220, and primered the bay.
well I originally wanted to get it up and running by then, but something tells me it's not a good idea. I could get the engine assembled, dropped in, and started in about 2 days worth of work; but trying to assemble a bullet-proof shortblock is going to take time. I decided to slow it down and get it running when I get back from Hawaii (so mid sept). TRUST ME, I would love to take the talon to the PA meet, but it wouldn't be the smartest idea. I'll be there with no_skillz + camera in hand though
Sadly, 11's still elude me. I hope to go to the track again sometime in July to try and finally get there. I'm really optimistic, considering that I want to go back at around 28psi and hopefully the same amount of timing.
but not so nice for launching. The best way is to wire in a separate momentary swith in the line that you just hold down when you want to use it. If you got creative enough, you could probably run one on the shifter for when it is in first gear only. Obviously this is for launch control, but you could try something like that for NLTS too. Or try to use the bottom switch (if you have separate inputs for launch control and NLTS)
) so I buttoned everything up and took a break:
