13's for $700 , how?

[talon43]

I'm not new to tuning, "use to have a 97 eclipse rs w/ few mods before it got wreck ( I know it's was a 420a, but I now have a 95 talon tsi awd)" and I always here people talk about putting our dsm's in the 13’s for around 700, I was wondering how this is done, for 700 all you can really get is a 3' exhaust and intake., seeing I'm a poor kid in school, and I spend all my money just to get the car *paid for it myself* I was just wondering.. all help would be greatly appreciated thanks

 

[hostile]

You gotta think more ghetto.

Like running nothing but a downpipe, removeing every bit of weight you dont need, 40 dollar manual boost controller, a tank of race gas, generic open air filter, Injectors from an rx7, rewired fuel pump, and a used turbo.

I am pretty sure you could hit a 13 with that, it would be easier in a first gen because the 14b is stronger than a t25.

 

[4g63tc]

do what hostile said, and get a N2o Kit, about 450 bucks, provides that horsepower beyond what your turbo can output.

 

[Thalomos]

I'm not sure if it's possible with the 2nd gen.. but cheap mods i've done are:

3" Homemade intake - 12 bucks
Homemade Manual boost controller - 12 bucks
Plugs/wires - 75 bucks
Open DP
UD Pulley - 50 bucks from the guy who owned the car.
Hacked MAS with K&N (car came with K&N)
Remove back seat/trunk carpet and spare/jack.

Then run dead even with a high 13 second WRX, with the mbc at 14psi (this is for a 1g)

 

[DSM91]

I think it is mostly 1st gens that run fast for so cheap because of the turbo. My car ran 13.6 at 97mph with just a new clutch, air filter, and homemade boost controller.

Pick up a 14B for really cheap, make a boost controller, get a K&N, and maybe an upper IC pipe with 1g BOV and see what happens. You can do all of that for less than $700. Going with used parts helps a lot too.

 

[Hitman23]

I agree.......you can find 14b's for a hundred bucks. After that just a MBC and air filter. Drop the exhaust and run race gas and that should put you in the high 13's for around 300 bux. Maybe mid 13's if you drive your car well.

 

[talon43]

thanks for the info guys, but i have another question ,allright i can find a 14b for cheap but will it bold right on? is everything the same as my t 25 that comes stock on my car, just a slighty big turbo, or will i have to find a 1st gen manfold and everything else?

 

[DSM91]

Leave the stock exhaust. It will be fine. My 13.6 was on the stock 12-year-old exhaust. I was running 14psi on 93 octane.

 

[DSM91]

You will need a J pipe for the turbo outlet to reach the intercooler piping.

Basically a 16G install kit from any of the vendors would work. You use the stock o2 housing, exhaust manifold, downpipe, etc.

 

[4wheelsNmotion]

just hook up a N2O kit, run a 50 shot on race gas and turn the boost up to 17# on stock turbo. I ran 13.30s like that. But then, the car crank walked and now I have rods hanging out of the block. All the more reason to build the biggest stroker to go in a DSM yet. The 2.6 stroker is gonna be sweet. I jsut hope I can spool the full T4 I got before 4 grand.

MJ

 

[talon43]

i don't really care for running n20, i know if tuned and use properly it won't harm a engine, but my car is a daily drive and i can no aford huge repair bills or no car right now , i'm only 18 and in school and i don't have alot of cash at the moment, *trying to scrap up enough for a few mods* but i can not comprise the relyablited of my car at the moment..

 

[DSM91]

Originally posted by 4wheelsNmotion
just hook up a N2O kit, run a 50 shot on race gas and turn the boost up to 17# on stock turbo. I ran 13.30s like that. But then, the car crank walked and now I have rods hanging out of the block. All the more reason to build the biggest stroker to go in a DSM yet. The 2.6 stroker is gonna be sweet. I jsut hope I can spool the full T4 I got before 4 grand.

MJ

This coming from a person who cut his stock springs

Ok, completely ignore what he said and just follow the normal modification path.

In addition to the IC pipe and BOV, get a 14b, port the wastegate hole and turbine housing collector, then get a full exhaust. Also maybe a better clamping clutch, and you will see low 13s easily. (That is, of course, if you can drive the car).


My mods list to run reliable, consistent 13.2s at 102mph is as follows: (note, I did not kill my engine like the NAWSS guy above) The runs were on 93 octane pump gas at 15psi

ACT 2600 clutch ($400)
3" turbo-back exhaust ($710)
K&N filter ($35)
walbro fuel pump ($105)
homemade upper IC pipe ($30)
homemade MBC ($10)

 

[FastRthenU]

Well i ran 13.7 at 100mph for about 700 bux

All i had was press bent cat back piping, with a vibrent muffler.
that cost about 410 installed.

Then a K&N filter. 40 bux (hacked the air can)

Then i bought a inline booster pump. Which cost me aobut 210

I got a turbo smart MBC for free. but there about 70 bucks

The car probley could have gone faster but the clutch started to slip.

Oh yah these prices are in CDN funds. So in the end it cost me about 680 dollars cnd. And 18 psi of boost.

 

[TRBOTSI]

Should have bought a 1G and ran 12's for $700

 

[Thebeast431]

You picked the wrong vehicle if you have no money. You better get rid of it now, because if you are like me you will spend every little bit on it. I don't have any money for modding my Z28 anymore. I am only 21, but I can afford all the problems that go along with my Talon, and yes there will be problems. IMO don't mod if you are going to do it on a budget, you get what you pay for.

Travis

 

[4wheelsNmotion]

Originally posted by DSM91


This coming from a person who cut his stock springs

Ok, completely ignore what he said and just follow the normal modification path.

And whats wrong with my cut springs. I'll have you know that I have been through 2 sets of coil-overs and 2 sets of drop springs. I con't find my ideal ride quality. I like the stiffness of the coil-overs, but hate the ruff ass ride. The drop spings I've tried have all been too weak and I bottom the car out and rub the tires on the fender wells. So far the best way I like to ride aroung town is on some stock springs cut to my ideal ride height. And NO, I didn't use a cutting torch on them. I happen to own an angle grinder and a cutting wheel

MJ

 

[talon43]

Thanks for all the info guys, I have a good idea what i want to do. I should be getting a apexi n-1 exhaust and downpipe off a guy here soon for really cheap. So it's a start at least.! thanks again

 

[purplehazetsi]

Man Cutting your springs is really Ghetto, i dont get people sometimes... you have a second gen there are more suspension options avaible than god. I could maybe agrree a little with a 1g guy cutting his springs because we are limited on suspension. Well thats my opinion
PurpleHaze

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

used K&N - $20
used Hallman MBC - $25
Brode UIC pipe - $70
2G throttle body elbow - $40
pressbent 3" exh. system - $350 installed
used VR4 pump - $60
used CFDF 2500 PP - $60
new 2G OEM clutch disc - $60

Total = $685 to run 13.20@102 in a 3300lb (w/me in it) 1990 GSX @19psi w/110 gas

 

[DSM91]

You don't need race gas to run 13.2. Just TUNE!


As for cutting the springs on a 1st gen... Are you serious? These are DSMs. They are the equivalent to the dinosaurs of the sport compact market. They have SO many aftermarket companies making really great parts that you should NEVER have to cut your springs. Geez guys.

Springs, shocks, Ground Control coilovers, Tein coilovers (real ones), DSS coilovers, the list goes on.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Well, how about YOU try to run 20psi on a 14b and stock SMIC using pump gas and tell us how it goes. Yes, the car can go faster on pump gas, with a LOT more mods. But if you read my post, you would have seen that I had NO fuel controller at all. Just crank up the boost and go. The post is about going fast as cheap as possible. If i wanted to stick a FMIC/550's/2G MAS/etc etc, I could have. But then that would have defeated the purpose of seeing how fast you can go for how cheap.

Mike

 

[DSM91]

Originally posted by NOSLO2PT0
Well, how about YOU try to run 20psi on a 14b and stock SMIC using pump gas and tell us how it goes. Yes, the car can go faster on pump gas, with a LOT more mods. But if you read my post, you would have seen that I had NO fuel controller at all. Just crank up the boost and go. The post is about going fast as cheap as possible. If i wanted to stick a FMIC/550's/2G MAS/etc etc, I could have. But then that would have defeated the purpose of seeing how fast you can go for how cheap.

Mike

Who said anything about 20psi? I never ran more than 16psi to get my low 13 times on stock fuel other than a $105 walbro. Like I said earlier, I was running 13.2 on stock SMIC, injectors, turbo, etc, without an SAFC and on 93 octane.

 

[DeezNutsForYou]

can you really run 550's without a safc.

 

[pneumo]

No.