JDM Engine Question

[TotalEclipse112]

I have a 92 Talon TSi that I got real cheap because the motor was seized.It was partially parted off by the previous owner, so I am missing quite a few things from it includinge the ECU.So I was thinking of getting a JDM 4g63 motor for the time being till I am done rebuilding my other 6 bolt.I was wondering If anyone else has done the JDM swap thing and how it worked out.Also I was wondering if the stock ECU is alright to use with it, or if it is not and I need the JDM ECU can I use the stock harness with it.Thanks

 

[V8SHME8]

First off what exactly has been removed? I personally think those Evo3 motors are just hype. People like them because some come with a 16g and 510cc injectors (something like that). Rarely do you get one with that stuff on it however. The harness will come with the engine as well as the ECU. The evo 3 motor should use the same harness as there are no real differences as far as sensors go between it and a 6 bolt you would need to change just a few things but there is not reason. The new (and I use the term loosely) will come with everything. Generally, the engines that they sell have tons of mileage on them regardless of the garauntee that they give. It would be better to just buy a rebuilt 6 bolt. The price would be similar and then you would have a new engine and you can just buy a rebuilt ECU for 350 bucks.

 

[cait sith]

An EVO3 motor won't fit a first gen without major modifications because it mounts like a 2G motor.

It's not worth it unless you're getting the motor for nothing. JDM motors = Nothing but heartache unless you know EXACTLY where that engine has been sitting for the last five years, who's driven it, exactly HOW much mileage was on it, what kind of treatment it dealt with in so far as mantianence , etc etc etc.

Too much money for too much risk.

 

[UltraImports]

It's for the sake of saying it's JDM. It's a honda line.

 

[InferiorWang]

JDM aint sh!t here. Might as well go with a good ol' USDM 6 bolt and save yourself some $$$.

 

[lxlaw]

Alright now, time for a learning question. WHAT IS A JDM? Thanx

 

[UltraImports]

Japanese Domestic Market

Fancy shmancy expensive version of our engine.

 

[TotalEclipse112]

the problem is that the 6 bolt that was in the car was shot,the crank and the #3 piston rod were welded together.I had to beat the hell out of it with a hammer and then prybar the thing apart.Also the head package that I bout from Gude for my N/A eclipse dropped a valve and caused the #4 piston to explode basically rendering that car useless as well.Plus I am in Germany so getting individual parts for the 6 bolt that I have is not exactly easy.If I had a VW it would be a peice of cake, however I don't.So I thought that getting a $1500 used JDM motor might hold me over till I can rebuild one of the 2 motors that I have which are currently junk.Or untill I sue Gude for a ton of cash and can do what ever I want to do.So back to my orignal question will the thing work in my car cause the guy that I talked to told me it would drop right into a 1st gen and use the stock ECU(which I don't even have right now) just fine.Dose anyone else have any opinions to add?I need answers cause I need to do something soon.thanks

 

[TotalEclipse112]

Also it is a bare engine bay I removed all of the ac parts and lines along with all the power steering parts.All thats left is the ECU harness and connectors and that kind of stuff I can get a pic if anyone is intrested.

 

[V8SHME8]

Yes it will work. However, I would highly recommend getting a rebuilt 6 bolt instead.

 

[hostile]

You guys are full of ####.

I have a JDM engine in my car, and I have a friend who bought one. If you take the valve cover and the oil pan of you can clearly see the engines are in great condition.

Try getting a first gen motor with less than 50,000 miles on it for under 1000 from a junk yard.

It is stupid to say people buy J specs just because they are JDM.

It is because they are avalible cheaper and are in better condition than used USDM engines.

 

[cait sith]

Originally posted by hostile
You guys are full of ####.

I have a JDM engine in my car, and I have a friend who bought one. If you take the valve cover and the oil pan of you can clearly see the engines are in great condition.

Try getting a first gen motor with less than 50,000 miles on it for under 1000 from a junk yard.

It is stupid to say people buy J specs just because they are JDM.

It is because they are avalible cheaper and are in better condition than used USDM engines.

Wow, congradulations, you're a lucky one.

If I could rip off the oil pan and check out a JDM motor before I went hog wild with ordering one, I would be all for it. But to buy one after giving it a glance over and thinking it's perfectly fine after a steam cleaning is retarded.

 

[lxlaw]

So are these engines that are actually imported from Japan?? When i was in Japan, i understood that according to thier emissions laws, you cant rebuild a motor over there. That the motor had to be replaced with a new motor before 60,000 miles hit the odometer. That is the reason lots of people use public transportation because the costs of owning a vehicle is rather expensive. That was the way i understood it. So if these motors are the ones coming from over there, they will have less that 60k, but no telling on what the upkeep was like. That is where i saw my first Nissan Skyline. I fell in love with the cars when i was there, and now some 12 years later i find out that they are one of the most wanted imports. Is that the place that sells them in the mag for like $1700 w/ tranny for AWD??

 

[hostile]

Yeah but isn't like jdm engines are fools gold or something.

The people run a business. They sell engines from japanese vehicles to americans.

I am sure if people in japan wanted our american engines we could sell them used 350's for 1000 dollars all day long. It just so happens they dont want our engines.

The whole trendy comment by the people above is just absurd.

 

[hostile]

You can get them cheaper than that. And yes most of them have less than 60k miles.

A lot better than buying an american engine with 140k miles and worn out rings from the local junk yard.

They do a compression test on them and check them out before they leave. Japan.

 

[4g63tc]

check www.tpautomotive.com they have complete listings, and can offer a mileage cert. if you want a front clip they can give you one too!

 

[hostile]

5 grand for a used engine, transmission, and ecu. That is a horrible price.

Most places give you an engine and tranny for around 1600-2000

 

[4g63tc]

yeah it it is but , then again this is california and the import market is all about supply, and demand. besides i talked to the guys at tp before and they ofered my the same evo3 for 1600.00 in AT config. (just not as popular)

 

[TotalEclipse112]

Well all of this is fine but is it worth it?I just need something to hold me over till I can rebuild the 6 bolt that I have sitting in storage.And get one of the 2 cars that I own running again.Because life sux without a car.Espically here in Germany.Plus I am sick and tired of bumming rides.So I now know that it will work, but is it a feasable temporary soloution?

 

[4g63tc]

not really, for what it cost for shipping, time and headache your better off rebuilding the 6 bolt. ( especially on a military budget!)

look for a used japanese motor distributor, K watanabe in california offers 4g63t motors for $550.00 with a 5 day wait.
www.kwcengine.com

 

[hostile]

That guys is a ricer bro. The evoIII in the pic looks like a galant motor.

Also he is selling an automatic evo motor?

He sells more spoilers and racing gloves than anything else.

Just go to roadraceengineering.com and look in the tech tip sections for some reputable engine dealers.

The jdm engine is basically just a plain USDM motor. The only reason you buy jdm is because of COST and MILEAGE.

They dont really offer much performance gains.

There are some motors with 16g's and 510cc injectors, but you dont want them. You would be better off just buying those parts aftermarket.

Your better off with a 6 bolt motor than the 7 bolt evo motor.

 

[4g63tc]

yes he is a ricer, and he does sell alot of accessories, but here in cali. that's what sells. a sh!t load of honda engines, and front clips for conversions.

the AT motor was just a plain old usdm 4g63t 7 bolt with tranny, and drivetrain.

 

[bcrosby]

I didnt see anywhere where he said he wanted an evo III engine. I've ordered two JDM engines and they worked just like the U.S. engine. The first one had metal shavings in the oil pan and the company sent me a new one no question. I would just go with a JDM engine if I was you.

 

[TotalEclipse112]

The problem that i have is the 6 bolt that I have is potentially shot.When I pulled the motor I got oil out of the radiator and water(along with metal chunks)out of the pan.I have a spare 6 bolt bolck from a n/t lazer but am also not sure of that considering it was cannabalized by my talon's previous owner for parts.Hell the reason the motor in the talon is junk now is because Mr. Goodwrench spun a bearing in the talon so he just took them out of the lazer, with a hammer and screwdriver I might add.As far as the JDM motor is concerned it might be more cost effective to just get the thing.All I need to pay for is the price of the motor and a plane ticket for it to Frankfurt.I have a Tranney and all that fun stuff.So I honestly think for the price it might be a good deal to get a car running and save me some shoe rubber.I talked to the guys at ARD Performance and they sounded like they knew what was going on.Any of you guys ever delt with them?

 

[TotalEclipse112]

Thank you Very Much finally someone answered my orignal question.Any suggestions for where to get one?