Fp Race manifold or sbr cast manifold?

[SBR Joe]

Originally Posted by staticbrainwash

All i ever see if you sbr guys causing problems on this site lately. Seriously, grow up and maybe learn you aren't always right. I've heard of TONS of people getting screwed by you guys. I know people outside of the dsm community who even know to stay away.

OP, I'd go with the FP because SBR isn't worth the headache. Not to mention Fp's is sexy.

If giving facts and proof about our products falls into that category then i am sorry.


Joe
SBR

[drivemusicnow]

Originally Posted by SBR Joe

Since you mentioned it i would like to hear your opinion on it...if you dont mind.


Joe
SBR

Okay, sure... I recieved a brand new SBR manifold as part of the replacement plan for your shitty old cracked ones.

The manifold to head gasket surface looks like it was milled using a hack saw. (Albeit a pretty patterned one) The surface was extremely rough to the point where it made a sound if I ran my finger nail over it. It was also, not surprisngly, NOT FLAT. Now, it wasn't so far gone that it wouldn't seal, but it was bad enough for a new part that has never seen any torque applied to it that I was a little embarassed while my my machinist and I laughed about it.

Then we get to the wastegate flange. The holes were not drilled properly for a TiAL wastegate. The were too far apart. Then, because the 38mm hole was not drilled from SBR like i asked for, I had my machinist do it. He centered the hole to the bolt holes, and found that the cast path for the wastegate was approximately 6 mm offset compared to what the correct "centered" location was.

Because the bolt holes were not the proper distance from each other, I had to clearance my TiAL wastegate to allow it to mount properly.

Add on top of this that one of the wastegate mounting holes was tapped all the way INTO the runner, and that the manifold to turbo flange hole is larger than it should be (larger than both the FP green's inlet, and the gasket it's supposed to line up with) left me with my 4th bad SBR experience out of, you guessed it, 4.

I actually liked the salesmen I dealt with. He was a good guy. Heck, I still think he's a good guy, i just think that you guys need to hire an industrial engineer and structure all of your shipping, recieving, and inventory control procedures. You should also probably get a decent software to provide a solution for all of this. I'm not sure what you guys do use, but it seems like an etch a sketch that gets passed from sales to shipping would work better.

You guys just grew too big too fast, and haven't spent the time/money to reorganize your business well enough to suit the majority of people.


But seeing as how this is entirely off topic, and may get the thread locked, PM me if you would like to reply.

[arash15]

i would vouch for the fp manifold as well. the collector design is completly repositioned and redesigned appose to the stock 2g/evo3/ sbr manifolds. the runners are larger and the fp manifold can be described as a tubular/cast hybrid manifold.

[UofACATS]

Originally Posted by blcknspo0ln

Theoretically the FP race manifold should decrease spoolup time, but that is yet to be documented.

Actually, in theory, it will spool slightly slower, but make up for it big-time on the top end.

In fact, FP reports the manifold makes slightly less boost at a low RPM, but again, kicks that ass as RPMs rise. They also state that they don't care about that, nor would I should I be fortunate enough to own one.

In my theory, the log manifolds create more turbulance. This spools the turbo slightly faster at low RPM. But, as RPMs rise, the turbulance starts hurting power. That's why the FP race manifold is cool, and makes more power than the stocker. Feel free to tell me I'm an idiot.

One last thing. I always try to keep in mind that SBR, or any shop people hate on, have thousands of perfectly satisfied customers. (Incidentally myself included.) Fact is, it's just not "fun" to jump in a thread saying. "OH MAN! You won't believe this, but my order was shipped SO FAST! Man these guys are GREAT. I'm so stoked! Mad props. PEACE!

Fact is, if a business truly, uh, "sucks" then they'll go out of business. As terrible as some people make them out to be, they won't last regardless of any internet bashing, or praise for that matter.



Make your own choices based on your own research. Call the shop, talk to the people you will be giving your money to. Ask them specifics, get a "feel" for the place, and it's usually obvious whether they "suck" or not Know that even the best shops make mistakes.

[Eclipse99GST]

Geez, I must be lucky or something. I haven't had one problem from SBR. Ported head and bolt-ons.

[wvturbo2]

It's better to run the waste gate off the collector rather than just one of the runners like the Sbr manifold. I've also heard of the Sbr manifolds cracking. I would run the Fp Manifold and wastegate off the o2 or internal gate or a ported Evo 3.

SBRJOE- It seems as if everywhere you post you get something stirred up and then the other Sbr guys have to come in and try to clean up the messes you make. It seems as if your always a smart ass to people and have rude comments to make. I think you should be fired or just stop posting.

[SBR Joe]

Originally Posted by wvturbo2

It's better to run the waste gate off the collector rather than just one of the runners like the Sbr manifold. I've also heard of the Sbr manifolds cracking. I would run the Fp Manifold and wastegate off the o2 or internal gate or a ported Evo 3.

SBRJOE- It seems as if everywhere you post you get something stirred up and then the other Sbr guys have to come in and try to clean up the messes you make. It seems as if your always a smart ass to people and have rude comments to make. I think you should be fired or just stop posting.

The original manifolds we had did crack, it was a flaw in the castings, we have since had that problem fixed and have yet to have on ecome back from the new batch that was made.

Not sure where your getting your info from, i never posted anything "smart ass" to get anyone stirred up, it was brought on by others. And who is cleaning up my mess, and what mess are you talking about?? If my comments that i make seem smart ass, i apologize, i should word them better. Im never rude to anyone that doesnt directly deserve it. But my apologies anyway.


Joe
SBR

[black91awdturbo]

Sbr Joe you see that the problem every one has with your company its always some one else never you guys. You keep saying it was a problem with the castings did you guys do any QA work on your manifold? Did you do any kinda testing at all, the casting problem should have never made it to the buyer but it did didnt it? Whose fault is that is not ours its yours man up and admit you didnt test the way your company should have. When you guys stop blaming every one else and take some heat your self the disrespect you here will stop!

[wvturbo2]

There was a thread on dsmstyle.com that got pretty ugly with you making some pretty bad comments, but I won't get into it. Reguardless of if they deserved it your still representing your company. You might want to make a name that doesn't represent sbr.
Glad to hear they were fixed hope there aren't anymore problems

[The_EE]

Originally Posted by SBR Joe

Dude, i was asking, not in a smart ass way, why he thought this. Reason being i have had this manifold on my car for almost a year now with no issues, ya the first batch we had sucked, but that was just the castings. We have yet to see any of these ones come back from cracking, and thats the only related issue. As for the hatred, thats cool, but someone of your stature would realize (mainly from being a wiseman on the forums) that people will hate just to hate over the slightest things, then everyone else will soon follow. Im not going to get into this discussion here, not the time nor place, but if i cant even ask a question to understand what the issue is with a certin person, then i think that i shouldnt be the one re-thinking my approach.



Joe
SBR

Joe, I had your manifold for a year, less than 4,000 miles on it and it cracked. When I called asking about what could be done about this, I was told that my warranty was expired. I had the manifold 14 months, warranty is 12. I was told that you guys would give me a killer deal on a new manifold and that you have not had any come back cracked, the same thing I was told when I had purchased my first one. I had to turn it down because I should not have to pay for a replacement of a defective part ( obviously you knew otherwise it would not have to be redesigned ) and figured, $300 a year for manifolds is out of the budget, $650 for a lifetime manifold is.

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Also add in a friend purchased a SBR Manifold that was supposed to be drilled and tapped for a 38mm waste gate and all it was, was bolt holes tapped. How does that get missed? I guess he would want to bolt up the wastegate but not use it.

[ypnas777]

FP > SBR. That is all

[SBR Joe]

Originally Posted by The_EE

Joe, I had your manifold for a year, less than 4,000 miles on it and it cracked. When I called asking about what could be done about this, I was told that my warranty was expired. I had the manifold 14 months, warranty is 12. I was told that you guys would give me a killer deal on a new manifold and that you have not had any come back cracked, the same thing I was told when I had purchased my first one. I had to turn it down because I should not have to pay for a replacement of a defective part ( obviously you knew otherwise it would not have to be redesigned ) and figured, $300 a year for manifolds is out of the budget, $650 for a lifetime manifold is.

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Also add in a friend purchased a SBR Manifold that was supposed to be drilled and tapped for a 38mm waste gate and all it was, was bolt holes tapped. How does that get missed? I guess he would want to bolt up the wastegate but not use it.

If it cracks within the first year they are replaced for absolutely free, if after a year, all we charge is what we pay for them, which is around 150.


Joe
SBR

[blcknspo0ln]

That's probably the first reasonable comment in this entire thread. I hate to admit it, but business is business, and a 1year warranty is a 1yr warranty.

I agree it sucks, kind of like when I felt like SBR gave me the shaft when my SBR G50 died after 16 mo/7000, but then I realized, it's still a business and should be run as such.

[wvturbo2]

Punishment racing has a lifetime warranty on their manifolds you might be happy with one of theirs.

[staticbrainwash]

I can vouge for punishments parts. I just got their j-pipe and it's wicked!

[The_EE]

Originally Posted by wvturbo2

Punishment racing has a lifetime warranty on their manifolds you might be happy with one of theirs.

Oh, I know and I am.

[The_EE]

Originally Posted by SBR Joe

If it cracks within the first year they are replaced for absolutely free, if after a year, all we charge is what we pay for them, which is around 150.


Joe
SBR

I understand fully, I just didnt expect to throw away $300 so quickly. Hell, the thing was obviously cracked for a period of time before I called, I just never pulled the heat shield off the manifold when the car was in hibernation. I didnt notice until I was going to do some work and pulled it so I would not cut myself on it.

[MaNGiNa24]

FP blows SBR out of the water in terms of quality and customer service. This shouldn't even be considered a fair comparison.

[GstRacer]

i would go FP and i have had both. SBR one cracked on me within the first like 4000 miles all the way around. and the fp will flow so much better then a staight cast runner.

[daren_p]