fp performance fp3052

[RACER-X]

i was origonally going to go with the SBR-GT 11 52 trim for $1,200

someone here i talke too pointed me to fp's site, so i looked. for $1,149 i can get the fp3052, and the full kit: lines,washers, wg, o2housing, gaskets, turbo for $1,900

i wanted to know if any of you have any experience with either of these turbos? how do you like them, what kind of power are YOU making (i know what they are cap. of making), when do you reach full boost, and what psi levels are you running at?

thanks for any help and info provided.

 

[dsm1kenobe]

These are my results using "3052" in the search field:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=529726&sortby=&sortorder=

Here's a good thread for the 3052 ... too bad he won't post dyno info.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80786&highlight=3052

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by RACER-X
i was origonally going to go with the SBR-GT 11 52 trim for $1,200

someone here i talke too pointed me to fp's site, so i looked. for $1,149 i can get the fp3052, and the full kit: lines,washers, wg, o2housing, gaskets, turbo for $1,900

i wanted to know if any of you have any experience with either of these turbos? how do you like them, what kind of power are YOU making (i know what they are cap. of making), when do you reach full boost, and what psi levels are you running at?

thanks for any help and info provided.

Let me start by saying I am 100% biased when it comes to the two turbos you are considering. I learned the hard way when it came to turbo selection.

With that said I do not have any dyno numbers to add for the FP3052 however i can give you my over all experience with forced performance and the FP3052

To start FP is a real business and operates as such. NO nonsense no turbo shop run around. I called them up placed my order and 2-3 days later my parts arrived.

The build quality and craftsmanship of the FP3052 is second to none. the FP30 series turbos were beta tested for almost 2 years before they were released to the public.

These are not some copy cat bandwagon product. They were designed from the ground up for a DSM application. The turbine housing used on the FP30 series turbos were designed and sized to work the absolute best for this application. The fit is *perfect* no beating of the water pipe or customization is required to make these turbos bolt up to your car.


Currently I am running 25 psi on pump gas with the FP3052. The turbo reaches full boost at 3400 rpms. from 4K->redline. this turbo is absolutely scary.Dont make the mistake I made buy from forced performance. You will not be disappointed in their products or customer service.

The only other comparable setup that I would consider is from AGP they offer similar sized full Garrett GT ball bearing kit.

 

[RACER-X]

yeah with all the reading and research i've been doing; i'm leanig twords fp3052 more and more. to hear full boost can be reached at 3,400 rpms is a big + . Thanks for your help JDM

 

[bigjangin]

if you can afford it i would definitely order the 3052 from forced performance. Everytime I order something from somewhere, they always screw up or give me the run around, but everything from FP ships almost immediately and gets to my house very quickly. THey also answer my questions honestly.

 

[RACER-X]

Well i have spoken with both Co. They both have great customers service, and have great reps. as far as product, and shipping. I wanted to compare the 2 turbos mostly, before i made my decision and started ordering the supporting mods that i will need.

JDM, it dosent say and i forgot to ask.. what trim is the fp3052? Is it a 52 trim or do they just call it that cause it capable of 520hp? cause the fp3062 is rated at 620hp... so does it get its name from the trim it uses or from the hp it makes?

If its both there must be a big difference between the 2. the fp3052 is rated at 520hp and the SBR-GT 11 that is a 52 trim is rated at 475hp.

Both turbos being full garretts and the fp reaching full boost @ 3,400 and the GT 11 reaching full boost @ 3,600 if memory is correct. So what makes the fp out perform the SBR?

 

[eclipsefwd]

Actually it is a FP3065 and is good for 650 hp. Prolly just a typo though.

 

[raped]

wheel 'trim' is not wheel size. From what I understand the fp 3052 flows at max 52 lbs/min which is about 520 hp. When I spoke with FP they said i should see full boost at about 3700 rpm, but that all depends on your setup.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by RACER-X
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Both turbos being full garretts and the fp reaching full boost @ 3,400 and the GT 11 reaching full boost @ 3,600 if memory is correct. So what makes the fp out perform the SBR?

The FP3052 uses a completely different CW and TH then the other turbo you car considering. Neither is a *full Garrett* setup.

What makes the FP turbo out perform the other turbo you are considering? That's a good question. Im not an authority in GT30 VS GT37 turbos with custom turbine housings.

However AGP offers a Complete Garrett Setup that i *believe* utilizes the same compressor wheel as the 3052. Maybe Kevin or Ben can chime in. To add some content on the differences.

If we're lucky GrocMax or one of the guys from Forced performance will chime in with a little more Technical data then I can offer about their turbo.

Honestly i think the setups you should be considering is the FP3052 from FP, and the 52 lb/min GT30BB in a .63 or .82 A/R turbine housing from AGP.

 

[RACER-X]

Well looks like i need to do some RE reading, there might be some slight confusing on my part. I've been looking at so many turbos i think i have some info mixed up.

I've heard a few horror stories about agp, and that has kinda detured me from them... concerning there durability and life of there turbos.


Basically I'm looking for a turbo that will reach full boost @ 3,600rpm (idealy) and still be able to make 500hp or more if possible. basically looking to buy 1 turbo and not have to buy another for a long long time.

 

[Revolution]

Ok well Im sold on a 3052 And im going to buy it . To jdmawd hey bro thank you for all the wonderful information you have contributed in regards to the spool . That little tidbit just sold me on that said turbo.

Does anybody want to buy my slightly used evo 111 turbo???

Well Iguess from a couple of other threads that this 3052 spools at just about 3500 to 3700 depending on your mods and so on.

Im sold .

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by Revolution
To jdmawd hey bro thank you for all the wonderful information you have contributed in regards to the spool . That little tidbit just sold me on that said turbo. Well Iguess from a couple of other threads that this 3052 spools at just about 3500 to 3700 depending on your mods and so on.

Im sold .

I've heard a few horror stories about agp, and that has kinda detured me from them... concerning there durability and life of there turbos.

I have only heard of one and I talk to a lot of people. However that *one* person was a flaming idiot and his dsm was always broken for an assortment of reasons. AGP FP cant go wrong

 

[RACER-X]

Thanks jdm, i guess ill take a look at agp and then decide... have to say thought i'm really starting to like that fp3052

 

[DCJ98GST]

Originally posted by jdmawd
Honestly i think the setups you should be considering is the FP3052 from FP, and the 52 lb/min GT30BB in a .63 or .82 A/R turbine housing from AGP.

Both these setups are about the same amount of money, when you work the numbers, but the AGP set up gets you a new manifold.

The only real difference between these setups is the turbine housing, right?

I posted earlier about the A/R of the FP 30 housing and GrocMax had this to say:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80786&perpage=25&pagenumber=8

"The tubine housing nozzle area is 1.4 sq. in., A/R is .70. Back to back tests against a recent design T3 .49 show quicker boost threshold and MUCH less exhaust pressure at higher RPM.

You really can't directly compare modern volute design to older stuff by comparing A/R, and the A/R is a useless number to know without also knowing nozzle area.

Y'all would drop a load if you knew what the nozzle area and A/R is on EVOIV-VIII twin scrolls. "

Which doesn't exactly make sense to me because the housing bolts up just like the 7cm so the only other part of the eqn. is the vollute radius which you cant change because you are limited to the diameter of the turbine wheel. Maybe I am confused. Can somebody shed some light.

And also does anybody know what is the sq. in. of the T3 inlet housing nozzle? I know it is rectangular, could somebody get the measurements.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by RACER-X
Thanks jdm, i guess ill take a look at agp and then decide... have to say thought i'm really starting to like that fp3052

No prob since im bored as hell here at work and its friday. So i drove the talon becuase its nice here today 54*. I snapped a few pics for you real quick.

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[Groomz]

Keep in mind that JDMawd's setup has that DNP equal length manifold which helps with spool time. Transient boost response is where the FP30 series knocks the others down.

 

[RACER-X]

Oh thats the secret to the low rpm spool. jdm where did you get your exhaust mani?.. and for how much? lastly what size intake is on your turbo? Once again thanks jdm you've been a huge help.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by RACER-X
Oh thats the secret to the low rpm spool. jdm where did you get your exhaust mani?.. and for how much? lastly what size intake is on your turbo? Once again thanks jdm you've been a huge help.

jdm where did you get your exhaust mani?..

www.dnperformance.com its only black because i had it jet hot coated

lastly what size intake is on your turbo?

Its a 4" dejon tool's CAI. They are the only guys that stepped up to the plate when I needed a custom 4" cold air intake

 

[RACER-X]

where would be the best place for mounting the w/g, to the exhaust mani, or to the o2 housing? the equal length manifold is a little high so i might use my 2g manifold for a while.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by RACER-X
where would be the best place for mounting the w/g, to the exhaust mani, or to the o2 housing? the equal length manifold is a little high so i might use my 2g manifold for a while.

If you get the fp30 the TH is flanged for either a 40MM tial (old style) or the new vband 44mm tial. If you look closely at the pictures I posted the W/G is bolted directly to the TH

 

[RACER-X]

Oh shit, it sure is. I guess i was too busy drooling over your turbo, I over looked the w/g on the TH staring at me in the face. Cool, that will save me some cash.

Thanks once again jdm.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by RACER-X
Oh shit, it sure is. I guess i was too busy drooling over your turbo, I over looked the w/g on the TH staring at me in the face. Cool, that will save me some cash.

Thanks once again jdm.

No prob, keep in mind you will need a new 02 housing. FP offers a *direct* bolt on 2.5" or a crazy vband 3" version. Depending on your budget the 2.5" mat be the way to go. the 2.5 will bolt up to your D/P without any modifications the 3" Vband will not.

 

[RACER-X]

it already has a full 3in exhaust, cant remember if the o2 is 3in or not