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Posted 08-18-2011 at 10:43 AM by 95weclipse

Ok so I have a 1990 eagle talon tsi awd. It was my first DSM, you can say this car broke my DSM cherry

, I bought it back from the kid I sold it to a few years ago I picked it up a few weeks ago. When I sold it to him I sold it as a shell no motor, no trans, no transfer case, no drive shaft, no rear end, and no axles because he had a 90 that he had wrecked and twisted the body apparently. Well when he did this some how it forced the drive shaft into the transfer case and broke something and messed up the drive shaft so I gave him the transfer case I had and the drive shaft. He swapped ever thing over from his car to the shell. Well he didn't do it he had some one do it and they had it all hacked up so I am going to pull the motor and trans and check everything over and maybe rebuild because like the title states this is PROJECT 9's. So my goals are simple lo,l get this bad boy into the 9's in the quarter mile, this road is going to be long and bumpy. How am I going to do this you might ask

, I have not made any effort into how I will do it. YET. lol

but I am going to be running an eagle stock crank, manely H beam rods, and wiseco 9.0:1 pistons, some sort of 272s? haven't decided what brand, 1200cc injectors? haven't decided what brand, E85 for sure, UEGO, I already have a auto meter phantom series boost gauge, I dont know if the stock trans will hold up, It will be getting a 4 bolt rear end, Ill have a custom drive shaft made at a local drive shaft shop out of aluminum, unless the stock one will hold. I am not sure what esle just yet but I have started GUTTING this so if you know any one looking for 1g interior parts just pm me, here are some pics so far

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	Dont forget about dsm link v3! Gl on the build.
	Posted 08-18-2011 at 10:55 AM by SupremeDsm

	OHHHH thats a definite lol I have dsm link on my 2g but thats a different story lol thanks!
	Posted 08-18-2011 at 11:52 AM by 95weclipse

	9s huh? Not an easy task, but good luck to you either way Ill be keeping an eye out
	Posted 08-18-2011 at 01:46 PM by DSM_PWR

	I know it lol but I will do It lol
	Posted 08-18-2011 at 01:47 PM by 95weclipse

	GL getting 1200's into the 9's on E85...
	Posted 08-18-2011 at 01:49 PM by Jon91TSi

	I would invest in FIC 2150cc injectors, idle much smoother on E85 with them, and you shouldnt max the injectors out.
	Posted 08-18-2011 at 04:20 PM by DWR-DSM

	Ok I'll go with 1250s
	Posted 08-18-2011 at 05:49 PM by 95weclipse

	Quote: Originally Posted by 95weclipse Ok I'll go with 1250s No, 2150's, not 1250's.
	Posted 08-19-2011 at 12:50 AM by KazooGS-T

	Thats what ment lol I found the fic blue max hi zs on extreme psi for 765 does any one know where I can get ne 2150 ne cheaper
	Posted 08-19-2011 at 06:33 PM by 95weclipse

	Yes... But they won't be FIC.
	Posted 08-20-2011 at 01:03 AM by KazooGS-T

	What brand and are they good?
	Posted 08-20-2011 at 05:08 AM by 95weclipse

	A stock trans isn't going to last
	Posted 08-20-2011 at 06:19 AM by rdgsdsm

	Why ask so many questions and know zero about going fast? Because race car.
	Posted 08-20-2011 at 03:52 PM by 2slow4utsi

	WOW 9's, good luck man. You must have a lot of cash to throw at this.
	Posted 08-20-2011 at 05:04 PM by BIGBLAZE79

	It's not that bad to do a low 10/high 9 setup. If he decides to actually go for 9s, instead of randomly dipping into them, it will be a ton of work/money.
	Posted 08-21-2011 at 04:20 AM by KazooGS-T

	I givemy self 2 years for the build. I am going to look into sending my trans to shep for a rebuild. So where can I get cheaper injectors
	Posted 08-21-2011 at 05:44 AM by 95weclipse

I got faith in ya. I know you have more than one dsm and so theres no rush to have it running tomorrow. I would def get the trans and tcase done up with lsd in the back. get that damn dsm light and get some good slicks for the track. should relocate the battery to the trunk and wire tuck it too. Ill be keeping track of what you have going on. Im very interested since I have my new toy with a swapped 6 bolt motor and she built! This will be an awesome project

Posted 08-21-2011 at 04:34 PM by j_biggz j_biggz is offline

	Check out fiveomotorsport.com they have some good prices on the injectors.
	Posted 08-21-2011 at 04:54 PM by KazooGS-T

	Depending on what the local shop is going to charge you, you can get a driveshaft shop aluminum driveshaft for 749. They offer a 3in and a 3.5in for various horsepower levels they can also equip a different yoke on the ends.
	Posted 08-21-2011 at 10:11 PM by airmail96

	I called up FIC to get my 2150cc injectors and they gave me some type of discount. I guess you could give it a try also
	Posted 08-22-2011 at 04:21 PM by DWR-DSM

	Quote: Originally Posted by 2slow4utsi Why ask so many questions and know zero about going fast? Because race car. "because race car" that is awesome
	Posted 08-22-2011 at 07:56 PM by eagletalon4life

	I have decided I am going to run racing fuel instead and still have not decided what turbo/injector set up yet, if any one has any ideas or suggestions please post
	Posted 08-22-2011 at 08:22 PM by 95weclipse

	Like E-98 or like c16 racing fuels?
	Posted 08-22-2011 at 09:35 PM by airmail96

	I was going to ask my friend that runs a 6 sec fire bird what fuel I would need to run. So probably c16?
	Posted 08-23-2011 at 05:11 AM by 95weclipse

	Why c16? You just throwing thoughts around now. I think you need to take some time, use the forums for research, and come up with a plan.
	Posted 08-23-2011 at 03:18 PM by DWR-DSM

	This might help you if you look at memebers profiles for 9s DSM 1/4 Mile Times - 1/4 ET
	Posted 08-23-2011 at 03:19 PM by DWR-DSM

	9's? Hell why not 7 or 8's? lol hang in there with shepherd! j.k Goodluck!
	Posted 08-23-2011 at 10:53 PM by AQuinonez90

I hope to break into the 13's one day... But alas I'm stuck with this weak ass setup

Haha, OP, try for something a little more do-able than 9's outta the box. I'd say shoot for high 10's-mid/low 11's, it a much more attainable goal, you'll still be on the right path, but hoping into a 9-second car isn't just cake. You need to work your way up some. There's so many safety, tech, and supporting mods that you aren't even taking into consideration.

Posted 08-24-2011 at 12:13 AM by KazooGS-T KazooGS-T is offline

Well I know it's not going to be easy, but thats why I've been reading n what not I plan on building a 9 sec car I'm not planing on running it 9s my first time out I've never even been on the drag strip I've grown up around racing of all sorts my dads best friend runs a 7.680 firebird he helped him alot when I was little and I was always at the strip with them I've seen all kinds of stupid things go down the strip that you wouldn't expect to be fast, then bam! They run 8 sec! Lol If this guy can do it I can easily do it http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/drag...c-barrier.html . I know I'm going to have to practice alot tune alot and then I'll be abe to. Im completely gutting the car getting a custom alum drive shaft made and buying upgraded rear and front axles just don't know whatkind just yet I'm going to email shep trans today and see about the trans and tcase for 9s Ill probably go with the same injectors that guy is using or a little bigger and I still have not decided on what turbo and my dad said I'll probably need 102 racing fuel he said I'd have to ask his friend with the firebird. I just need to find a list or what ever for the safety requirements and regs for Nhra cause that's what my local track uses. I can't seem to find it

Posted 08-26-2011 at 03:05 AM by 95weclipse 95weclipse is offline

Well, go to GOOGLE.COM and type in nhra safety rules. Also, your local track should have them listed explicitly on their website, since some tracks do differ individually.

You really don't sound very experienced at all. I'd hate for you to get several thousand in and just scrap the project because you didn't expect it would be so complicated/cost that much.

Building a 9-second car isn't cheap. I highly recommend you have a professional tune your car if you don't understand the ideals and principles of tuning in depth and your way around the software. You seem to still not know much, which means you have not researched anywhere near enough. In a high-horsepower car the field for error is very slim on tuning and setup, unlike a mostly stock DSM.

I wish you best of luck, but highly foresee that this project will be abandoned, most likely from a failure. This is why I recommend starting smaller and working up to 9's. If you don't understand which fuel you are hoping to use, you have a long way to go.

Posted 08-26-2011 at 06:10 PM by KazooGS-T KazooGS-T is offline

Like said before in my OP it's going to be a long and bumpy road and I give my self 2 years for this build. And just because I haven't decided what fuel to use doesn't mean I can't build a 9 sec car I know it's not going be cheap and I plan on researching what I need to, the tuning will have to be done on a dyno but I will learn how to do it just not right away I will learn what I need to. The current stage the car is in, it's gutted all except for the windows being switched to lexan and the dash being torn out And it's getting a wire tuck so that's another thing I'm going to need to research and as for a turbo I'm still undecided I know I'm going with FIC 1850 injectors Unless something comes up then I will not give up on this that's what I did befor with this car and it's not going to happen again

Posted 08-26-2011 at 07:49 PM by 95weclipse 95weclipse is offline

	Why not go with proven Bluemax injectors?
	Posted 08-29-2011 at 08:52 AM by Jon91TSi

	I am going with the blue maxes the FIC 1850 blue maxes
	Posted 08-29-2011 at 04:01 PM by 95weclipse

	6 sec firebird huh?
	Posted 08-29-2011 at 09:24 PM by obryantms

	7.680sFully caged full frame huge motor he bracket races it's a full drag car it's bad ass
	Posted 08-31-2011 at 04:38 AM by 95weclipse

	7.6-7.7's a long way away from 6's..
	Posted 09-01-2011 at 09:53 PM by KazooGS-T

My bad I didnt even relies I put that lol yeah he runs mid 7s, but that has nothing to do with my op so let's try and stay on topic here haha like I've said I plan on building a 9 second capable car I WILL build it slowly but surly it will be a slow build but I love my dsms I plan on going to the track the first time it opens and get a base run on and my first year I plan on getting used to the track and tree lol the car is gutted running a hx40 and the 1850 blue max injectors wiseco pistons manley rods and eagle crank on racing fuel Dsm link v3 lite

Posted 09-02-2011 at 05:29 PM by 95weclipse 95weclipse is offline

The comment "If this guy can do it, I know I can.." I kinda dont understand. The guy Cuzco (Lollidsm) has done a fantastic job and really has built himself a respectable DSM by not cutting corners. I meet alot of his friends at the shootout, and let me tell you, they are very dedicated people and hardcore racers. They came all the way from Iceland to watch the event. The point I am trying to make is this guy has gone 9's because of hard work. I've followed him for a while. He uses a stock tranny rebuilt by himself, stock axles, t-case ect and has alot of seat time in his venture. I guess I just dont understand your comment.

As for the 9's thing, prepare to have some light pockets for the next few years. You need to do a lot of research. That HX-40 still hasnt been in the 9's though I'm sure TalonDave will do it shortly. He has had tons of trips to the track and thousands in his setup and still hasnt dipped into 9's. For you to pick this turbo to go 9's isnt exactly out of the question, but just shows you havent dont your research. I'm not knocking you, but being real.

Posted 09-05-2011 at 07:14 PM by little-razcal little-razcal is offline

	Ok if a hx 40 wont do it who can direct me to a forum that can help me better decide this?
	Posted 09-17-2011 at 02:24 PM by 95weclipse

	Sheesh the guys lookin for advice, not ridicule. If ## lookin to runs 9's, like everyone else says, you need money. But more importantly, the dedication you so obviously display. Look for advice in the nice guys. Talk to your uncle. He should know someone who can hook you up.
	Posted 07-31-2012 at 10:23 PM by BAMFtalon