Mix your own race gas... in the hard ware store

[ilikespeeding]

Originally Posted by 2DaTrakNow

well that sucks because im only 17! I hate this stuff, i remember once a few years ago i went into wal-mart to buy some paint for my model car with my grandma. I handed the cashier my bottle of paint, and she handed it back to me, and made my grandma hand it to her! I mean...is an innocent 13 year old really going to get high off of paint? or is a 19 year old druggy that can buy the paint going to get high off of it? I guess rules are rules though, ill just have my 18 year old friend buy it:shhh:

Also, is xylene just a different type of paint thinner? And would this stuff be safe to run with nitrous?

The shop I go to mixes some seafoam, 93 octane, toluene, and some injector cleaner to make make your car run like a beast.

[2DaTrakNow]

Originally Posted by ilikespeeding

The shop I go to mixes some seafoam, 93 octane, toluene, and some injector cleaner to make make your car run like a beast.

does sea foam actually add power, or just clean out the system? Also, wouldnt it be better to use xylene instead of toluene?

One more question, and i know that nobody can give me "exact" results until i actually try it, but...just for an example. Lets say my car has 200 hp, and i dump racing fuel into it. What kind of an icrease could i expect on average?

[tranceman]

Originally Posted by 2DaTrakNow

does sea foam actually add power, or just clean out the system? Also, wouldnt it be better to use xylene instead of toluene?

One more question, and i know that nobody can give me "exact" results until i actually try it, but...just for an example. Lets say my car has 200 hp, and i dump racing fuel into it. What kind of an icrease could i expect on average?

Just running the higher octane fuel itself wont give you any gains if your car isnt seeking any knock on regular gas. Gains come from your car being able to run at peak efficiency, ie not knocking at all, and getting higher timing which would be a result of running the race fuel. Your gains will all depend on how "well" your engine is already running. Could be 20 hp or could only be 2.

[ilikespeeding]

Originally Posted by 2DaTrakNow

does sea foam actually add power, or just clean out the system? Also, wouldnt it be better to use xylene instead of toluene?

One more question, and i know that nobody can give me "exact" results until i actually try it, but...just for an example. Lets say my car has 200 hp, and i dump racing fuel into it. What kind of an icrease could i expect on average?

The extra exhaust adds some umph to turbo'd cars.

[DSM90AWD]

Originally Posted by 2DaTrakNow

does sea foam actually add power, or just clean out the system?

All Sea Foam or MCCC does is clean, and by doing so will also remove any carbon "hotspots" which may cause premature ignition (knock).

One more question, and i know that nobody can give me "exact" results until i actually try it, but...just for an example. Lets say my car has 200 hp, and i dump racing fuel into it. What kind of an icrease could i expect on average?

If car is running without knock, race gas by itself will not increase horsepower. What it does is allow you to run leaner mixtures/more boost/higher ignition advance before onset of knock which (if properly tuned) can drastically increase your car's HP potential :dsm:

Originally Posted by ilikespeeding

The extra exhaust adds some umph to turbo'd cars

ummmm... no WTF

:dsm:

[ilikespeeding]

Originally Posted by DSM90AWD

ummmm... no WTF

:dsm:

They have dynos to prove it. Have you seen the amount of exhaust pouring from the tip when you use seafoam? They have three runs with a VR4 before seafoam running like 380 to the wheels, then they have during the seafoam of something like 395, then afterward of 385 or something like that. I dont remember the exact numbers. The conditions where pretty much the same, with warm motor. Granted, there are differences in runs but I doubt that seafoams exhaust didnt aid in boost.

[DSM90AWD]

Originally Posted by ilikespeeding

They have dynos to prove it. Have you seen the amount of exhaust pouring from the tip when you use seafoam? They have three runs with a VR4 before seafoam running like 380 to the wheels, then they have during the seafoam of something like 395, then afterward of 385 or something like that. I dont remember the exact numbers. The conditions where pretty much the same, with warm motor. Granted, there are differences in runs but I doubt that seafoams exhaust didnt aid in boost.

Seafoam is a detergent used to remove carbon deposits from the pistons and valves (less knock) and clean injectors (better spray pattern/flow). That in itself could easily account for minor increases in HP.

I've never heard of it used as a regular treatment for performance nor octane booster and the absence of any such claims on their WEBSITE seems to support this.

In simplistic terms exhaust is created by the combustion of air/fuel in the cylinders. Adding an octane booster (or Seafoam Detergent) to your gas will not directly increase the amount of air or fuel you consume. Indirectly, yes :dsm:

[1993eclipseGS]

Race gas will not help you out unless you are getting knock, Or you plan to lean the car out/run higher boost levels.

[ilikespeeding]

Thinking about it, you should be right. Unless, seafoam breaks down into smaller particles during combustion. Then exhaust flow would change.

[paper_clip_boy]

I would watch out about mixing your own race fuel. There was a kid in Quebec that did that with his Cavalier and guess what happened next, BOOM! Im not joking. The Car blew up and klled the kid instantly. They couldn't even find his body.

Look it up on Google.

Seriously, just pull out the wallet and pay for some good ole' C16 race gas.

[GSEclipse620]

Thats because it was a dumb a$$ trying to race a CAVALIER! I'll bet you he was running nitrous and was just an ignorant person who obviously didn't know what he was doing if he tried to modify a car like that for performance in the first place.

[JOEY A]

My dad is in construction so he adds xylen to stuff, he was the one that told me you could use it and make race gas. Im going to try it when my car is back up and running...

[SinaiTSi]

I've used Xylene before to make race gas and I was at first a little worried. I was very surprised though with how much smoother that engine felt though, especially when being rev'd. It's true that if you use it alot then you will start to strip the fuel system, but most people like to add Marvin's Mystery Oil to keep the fuel system lubricated. The mixture I used was 4 gallons of 93 to 1 gallon of Xylene with a bottle of MMO. I was just testing it out so that's why I didn't fill a whole tank but, basically the 20% mixture worked good for me.

[DSM90AWD]

I've heard very good results with mixing varying amounts of E85 (~105 Octane) with premium gas. Now that it's avail in many states at the pump (and cheep as 87octane) prol a better DIY race gas ;)

Would have to richen the mixture based on the amount you add though since Ethanol is oxygenated (Stoich 9.7:1 vs 14.65 for gasoline) :dsm:

[-DSM2NR-]

So I've read a couple of threads dealing with creating race gas from Xylene or Toulene. This would really help me out since the highest octane we got over here is 92. I'm currently using 91 and the knock is killing me (I'm knocking at 15psi :mad:).
Did anybody actually go through with this and done it?
If so, how are you supposed to mix them anyways? Do you pour them individually into the gastank. First the gasoline and then the additive (xylene or toulene)? Or are you supposed to put them both into a container and then mix them with a spoon or someting:D before putting the mixture into the tank?

[lasertim]

I guarantee that there is a VP(or similar) dealer somewhere in your area. But yes it is possible to mix your own, it is just very expensive. It would probably be cheaper to have premade C16 or soemthing like that shipped to your home in a drum.

Have you considered converting to run on E85? Probably cheaper in the end than race gas or home made stuff.

I read this on another board from one of the senior members.
"3 gallons of toluene with 7 gallons of 92 would get you 98.4 octane"

Here is a site that ISUJakey posted on the local board.
http://www.elektro.com/~audi/audi/toluene/tol2.html

Here is another posted by someone else.
http://www.dsm.org/archives/1996/04/19960425.txt/8.html

Sherwin Williams sells Toulene, not sure about the other stuff you listed.

[-DSM2NR-]

There is a gas station selling 100octane race gas over here but it's $5.50 per gallon. In the endrun, it's too expensive. Using Xylene or Toulene would make more octane and cost less.

What I still don't understand is how to mix it. Do I simply pour it into the tank or do I have to actually "mix" the components?

[MrBoxx]

Generally, it's best to mix the toluene and gas in a seperate container before putting it into your gas tank.

Q: How much toluene should I use per tank of gas?

A: Octane ratings can be very easily calculated by simple averaging. For example, the tank of an Audi A4 1.8TQ is 15.6 gallons. Filling it with 14.6 gallons of 92 octane and 1 gallon of toluene (114 octane) will yield a fuel mix of:

(14.6 * 92) + (1 * 114) / 15.6 = 93.4

Here's a good link for more information. DIY race gas.

[Marc91GSX]

A buddy of mine used to make his on race gas for his dirt track car. HIs mixture was 50 gallons of AvGas, 5 gallons of toulene, and 1 bottle of marvel mystery oil (lubricant for avgas). He had it tested one time by the race track and it was rated at 122 octane which of course was against the rules so he had to stop using it. Now he is in the 115 range using 100 leaded gas and toulene. Once I get all of my stuff straightened out I will do a mixture of 93 and toulene to see how it turns out.

[Booster-Shot]

I use acetone. :talon:

[MrBoxx]

I don't think I need to remind you not to smoke around that, right? ;)