tip tops on a eclipse?

[chavez408]

sup i have pics of a eclipse with tip tops, how in the hell did he do it? how much u think it would cost to do this? and would it affect the car in any way? i got the pics but i dunno how to post em here, but if u want em IM me at WestSide Esse408 (aim) in my opinio they look coo, its unique, maybe with a diff body color and his set!

 

[dsmturboawd]

whats a tip top?

 

[chavez408]

Originally posted by dsmturboawd
whats a tip top?

have u ever seen a camaro with tip tops? its like half covertivle or so...

 

[ArticNemesis]

are you referring to t-tops or targa top?

 

[97eclipseRS]

well he referred to the camaro so im going to assume he meant t-tops

 

[chavez408]

Originally posted by ArticNemesis
are you referring to t-tops or targa top?

whats the difference? do u have pics?

 

[nutshot]

Targa removes an entire strip of material from the roof, leaving nothing but air between the doors.

T-Tops leave a rib in the middle of the roof connecting the windshield frame to the rear of the roof.

Think TFART's Supra vs. SATB's T/A.

 

[guedo512]

Originally posted by dsmturboawd
whats a tip top?

yes please post a picture of a tip top.

 

[chavez408]

i cant attach file of the pic cus it says its too big, but if u want really want to see the pic(s) IM me at WestSide Esse408

 

[IHeartTurbo]

These are what he sent me on aim:

 

[IHeartTurbo]

targa on ground:

 

[chavez408]

yea those r it, who can give me a prize for doing that mod? any ideas? would it affect the car in any way?

 

[IHeartTurbo]

from the top:

 

[JoeZ]

Originally posted by nutshot
Targa removes an entire strip of material from the roof, leaving nothing but air between the doors.

T-Tops leave a rib in the middle of the roof connecting the windshield frame to the rear of the roof.

Think TFART's Supra vs. SATB's T/A.

T-Top is short for targa top...

Around the late 1960's, Chevorlet was trying to design a targa top for the corvette. They succeeded, and it was known as a T-Top option that you can add. Before they released it, the designers felt the car needed more stablility and added a center brace bar in their t-top. The name has NOTHING to do with the shape, but is simply short for targa.

T-Tops later became known for the brace in the middle and Targa was still used for the removable section...

 

[IHeartTurbo]

last one:

 

[nutshot]

Originally posted by JoeZ
T-Top is short for targa top...

Around the late 1960's, Chevorlet was trying to design a targa top for the corvette. They succeeded, and it was known as a T-Top option that you can add. Before they released it, the designers felt the car needed more stablility and added a center brace bar in their t-top. The name has NOTHING to do with the shape, but is simply short for targa.

T-Tops later became known for the brace in the middle and Targa was still used for the removable section...

Okay, so a Chevy Targa is an example of poor engineering?

 

[JoeZ]

Originally posted by nutshot
Okay, so a Chevy Targa is an example of poor engineering?

Are you a chevy hater or something?

They simply improved a design as nessairy for their application. Originally it was a coupe and they wanted to turn it into a targa, but found that to do so would be better to have a brace in the center...it wasn't originally made to have a huge section cut out of the roof.

I don't see poor engineering in that...if nothing else, it's ingenuity.

The point of the little story was how the name came around...

 

[nutshot]

Originally posted by JoeZ
Are you a chevy hater or something?

They simply improved a design as nessairy for their application. Originally it was a coupe and they wanted to turn it into a targa, but found that to do so would be better to have a brace in the center...it wasn't originally made to have a huge section cut out of the roof.

I don't see poor engineering in that...if nothing else, it's ingenuity.

The point of the little story was how the name came around...

Ummm... When a convertible flex's, what is the correct fix? Frame support. not a thin ass strip in the middle of a roof. Sorry. Not picking on Chevy, just how poor a choice that is.

 

[bigK1]

Originally posted by chavez408
yea those r it, who can give me a prize for doing that mod? any ideas? would it affect the car in any way?

In short, yes. It would weaken the structural rigidity of the car, causing the chassis to flex more. If you wanted to do it, you would need to strengthen the chassis with maybe some subframe connectors, lower tie bar, strut tower bars. stuff like that. It would probably cost a lot to do it right. $2000 or maybe more is what I'm guessing.

 

[farmdogg55]

he is a member here

http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=1456

 

[90DSMTurboFWD]

Haha Those are some funny mods. I like the brake fluid oil catch can and the PVC intake. He has some nice power though

 

[ArticNemesis]

Originally quoted by nutshot<br>Ummm... When a convertible flex's, what is the correct fix? Frame support. not a thin ass strip in the middle of a roof. Sorry. Not picking on Chevy, just how poor a choice that is.

Convertibles and T-tops are two completely different ball games.. The easiest way and most cost effective way to strengthen the frame of a convertible would be to connect the rear, top end of the car(above the trunk) to the front,top end of the frame(above the windshield). Unfortunately there is no roof to do such a thing on a convertible.

On t-tops, they have the back half of the roof, so why not utilize it to strengthen the frame.? (which they did.) That is probably the most cost effective thing to do to strengthen the frame vs. building supports into the body of a car that was not originally designed as a convertible. (Ever ridden in an older mustange or camaro convertible.? Chassis flex is... They have strengthened it to a certain extent in newer models.)

Another thing about the cross bar in the roof. Those are not thin ass strips as you put it. Those cross bars support a whole lot of weight. My friend used to have a 90 Chevy IROC-Z, and it was a good 5-6 inches wide, and another 2-3 inches thick. That has to be a whole lot safer than just the open space of a targa top in a vehicle rollover.. There is actually some support from keeping the windshield and roof from folding in on the passengers..

 

[chavez408]

Originally posted by farmdogg55
he is a member here

http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=1456

 

[nutshot]

Originally posted by ArticNemesis
Convertibles and T-tops are two completely different ball games.. The easiest way and most cost effective way to strengthen the frame of a convertible would be to connect the rear, top end of the car(above the trunk) to the front,top end of the frame(above the windshield). Unfortunately there is no roof to do such a thing on a convertible.

On t-tops, they have the back half of the roof, so why not utilize it to strengthen the frame.? (which they did.) That is probably the most cost effective thing to do to strengthen the frame vs. building supports into the body of a car that was not originally designed as a convertible. (Ever ridden in an older mustange or camaro convertible.? Chassis flex is... They have strengthened it to a certain extent in newer models.)

Another thing about the cross bar in the roof. Those are not thin ass strips as you put it. Those cross bars support a whole lot of weight. My friend used to have a 90 Chevy IROC-Z, and it was a good 5-6 inches wide, and another 2-3 inches thick. That has to be a whole lot safer than just the open space of a targa top in a vehicle rollover.. There is actually some support from keeping the windshield and roof from folding in on the passengers..

Yes, a strip of metal, as in a camaro or Firebird, would work to stop chassis flex IDEALLY. I have ridden in a t-top camaro and firebird. Go into a corner hard with the glass bits in and listen to them shift and flex. This is fixed with subframe connectors. Sorry, I do not hate Chevy, they made a sweet car called Corvair, I hate "fixes" that only work on paper. I want a chevy engineer responsible for 83-92 camaro/firebird t-tops to go for a ride in one with me and explain why he/she did not connect the sub-frames.

 

[Defiant]

Originally posted by chavez408
sup i have pics of a eclipse with tip tops, how in the hell did he do it?

It was a massive amount of rebuilding that never did really come out "right". That I know of, he did the rollcage twice trying to get it sufficiently braced. He sold it about a year ago or so.

I've never heard "T-Top" as a shortening of "Targa", but as a reference to the brace across the center being like the main bar of a T, as running from the windshield frame to the roof. Porsche took copyright on "Targa" when they introduced the gimmick in 1966. I don't know if the name derived from the Targa Floria race.