question for all audio gurus (install help)

[SlowTalonVa]

okay so i pulled my sony deck amp and subs from my car to put in a friends car(1993 probe) now i put mine in my car and done a few other installs but in no kinda way at all am i an expert now i got the correct wiring kit from best buy and connected all the wire to each other as labeled by color striping and names on the side of each connected and crimped them all hooked up rca cables and remote wire did everything as i know how to and when i turned the radio on i only get sound out of the subs and nothing at all out of the front or rear speakersi pulled the deck out again and checked all the wires and made sure there was a good connection and all the conectors were snapped in place and still nothing! please help ??? what the H-E double hockey sticks am i doing wrong ???

 

[Colossus]

You supplied the speakers with power, right? There should be at least 3 wires per speaker. Power, speaker, and ground. Checked all deck audio settings, etc.? If all else fails, perhaps a faulty deck. Of course, adjust the volume, which I'm sure you've done. I used to have my subs at one constant volume due to miss-wiring my amp.

 

[StreetSleeper34]

Check your RCA's again. If you are running more than one set back to a couple of amps, make sure that your "sub out" RCA's are actually going to your subs and either the "rear out" or "front out" are going to your highs. If your deck has only one set of RCA outs, and your highs are running directly off of the deck, disconnect the subs first, and then try to rerun all the factory wires again. Basically start from scratch, doing your subs last. Sucks, but that is what I always had to do whenever it was something stupid that didn't make a whole lot of sense. If this doesn't work, make another post to let us know where you stand. Hope this helps somewhat.

 

[SlowTalonVa]

hmm collossus question 3 wires hmm cant remember only remember the positive and negative wires for each speaker thats prolly it i left some wire unconnected because thats how the were in my car they said stuff like illumination something else and something else ill chack again this weekend when i go to fix it and yeah ill prolly start from scratch thanks for all the help always appreciate good input especillay when im still learning ( i suck at spelling oh well)

 

[Bizatch]

when i tried to put a deck into my spyder, the stock amp wouldnt' alow the deck to put out any sound into the speakers. they said the only way around it was to completely rewire the whole system. i was too lazy so i just bought a cd changer

 

[spaceball]

many fords have a small amplifier mixed in the stock system. the harness should have a blue wire and a blue/white wire (these are missing from some hanesses). one is for power antenna and one is the factory amp turn on. be sure to connect them bboth to the remote turn on lead from the deck. if that does not work just describe which plugs the stock radio uses and i can tell you where to go from there. do the speaker covers say "ford premium sound"?

 

[spaceball]

You supplied the speakers with power, right? There should be at least 3 wires per speaker. Power, speaker, and ground. Checked all deck audio settings, etc.? If all else fails, perhaps a faulty deck. Of course, adjust the volume, which I'm sure you've done. I used to have my subs at one constant volume due to miss-wiring my amp.

forget this nonsense

 

[spaceball]

Check your RCA's again. If you are running more than one set back to a couple of amps, make sure that your "sub out" RCA's are actually going to your subs and either the "rear out" or "front out" are going to your highs. If your deck has only one set of RCA outs, and your highs are running directly off of the deck, disconnect the subs first, and then try to rerun all the factory wires again. Basically start from scratch, doing your subs last. Sucks, but that is what I always had to do whenever it was something stupid that didn't make a whole lot of sense. If this doesn't work, make another post to let us know where you stand. Hope this helps somewhat.

nonsense - waste of time

 

[spaceball]

when i tried to put a deck into my spyder, the stock amp wouldnt' alow the deck to put out any sound into the speakers. they said the only way around it was to completely rewire the whole system. i was too lazy so i just bought a cd changer

more nonsense - your installer simply sucks. i have done what you say the stock amp wont allow in many cars

 

[spaceball]

when i tried to put a deck into my spyder, the stock amp wouldnt' alow the deck to put out any sound into the speakers. they said the only way around it was to completely rewire the whole system. i was too lazy so i just bought a cd changer

more nonsense - your installer simply sucks. i have done what you say the stock amp wont allow in many cars

 

[SlowTalonVa]

hmmmm

 

[splattj]

Tell us a little more about the way things are set-up. Are you using seperate amps for the subs and the F/R speakers? Are you trying to use the Sony's internal amp? Give a little more info and I'll try to help instead of just bashing everybody else's posts.

 

[Attack Eagle]

okay so i pulled my sony deck amp and subs from my car to put in a friends car(1993 probe) now i put mine in my car and done a few other installs but in no kinda way at all am i an expert now i got the correct wiring kit from best buy and connected all the wire to each other as labeled by color striping and names on the side of each connected and crimped them all hooked up rca cables and remote wire did everything as i know how to and when i turned the radio on i only get sound out of the subs and nothing at all out of the front or rear speakersi pulled the deck out again and checked all the wires and made sure there was a good connection and all the conectors were snapped in place and still nothing! please help ??? what the H-E double hockey sticks am i doing wrong ???

Sorry but it still isn't clear to me.
What car are you working on? Your DSM or the 93 probe?
Which harness are you using? If it is a ford that you are working on, did it have the premium sound system which uses a different type of adapter, but you got the regular FD 01 or whatever it was that is for a standard ford radio?

From what I do understand the HEad unit is running the 4 speakers and you have an amp running the subs. If you have a separate amp for the interior 4 speakers I am sure you would have listed it.

If it is A premium sound system ford... the adapters 50 bucks. Or you can just rewire the thing. If it were my friends car id make him get the adapeter so he could plug the stock radio in when it was time to sell the car.

 

[Attack Eagle]

nonsense - waste of time

hmm helpful. particularly when some of what you say is nonsense can in certain circumstances actually be correct since not all info has been supplied.

if there were a non fading sub output with a lowpass xover in it and the one non fading sub out was daisy chaned to both an interior 4 speaker amp and the sub amp you would get practically no output from the interior speakers, output that might be masked by the sub.

If he is working on a Ford premium JBL system the standard ford plug is in the dash, but there is an adapter he will need or he will get no output. As a matter of fact if I remember correctly, you use the ford plug for power etc but the adapter takes all the speaker leads. the ones on the ford harness don't go anywhere.

when some one says "I have no ________" I have learned in technical support to ask "Well what DO you have?" or "What do you mean by no _________. "

My favorite example was one night I talked to 5 people who had "nothing on their tv"

1 was watching infomercials
2 had their tv on snow/bluescreen b/c of wrong channel
1 had the tv off
1 had the reciever off and was watching antenna when his tv station was off air.

 

[SlowTalonVa]

this is what the harness that best buy gave me looks like i connected all the wires to their corresponding wires on the sony harness plugged my rca cables into the output on the sony head unit and my remote wire to the amp remote wire on the head unit

 

[spaceball]

hmm helpful. particularly when some of what you say is nonsense can in certain circumstances actually be correct since not all info has been supplied.

if there were a non fading sub output with a lowpass xover in it and the one non fading sub out was daisy chaned to both an interior 4 speaker amp and the sub amp you would get practically no output from the interior speakers, output that might be masked by the sub.

If he is working on a Ford premium JBL system the standard ford plug is in the dash, but there is an adapter he will need or he will get no output. As a matter of fact if I remember correctly, you use the ford plug for power etc but the adapter takes all the speaker leads. the ones on the ford harness don't go anywhere.

when some one says "I have no ________" I have learned in technical support to ask "Well what DO you have?" or "What do you mean by no _________. "

My favorite example was one night I talked to 5 people who had "nothing on their tv"

1 was watching infomercials
2 had their tv on snow/bluescreen b/c of wrong channel
1 had the tv off
1 had the reciever off and was watching antenna when his tv station was off air.

how can you effectively begin troubleshooting without knowing the cicumstances? why make guesses as to what he has?

integrating the facory system usually saves the customer money which is why most shops tell you that your entire car needs to be rewired

 

[spaceball]

did you connect the blue wires?

 

[spaceball]

the small black plug means you have a factory amp

also check for a black/white wire that will say amp ground.ground it if you got it
once you get the amp turned on the sound may be distorted if your deck has too much power if it does you have 3 options 1 amp bypass plug or 2 run new speaker wires, i rocccomend either of these if you are upgrading the speakers or 3 solder male RCA ends onto the small square balck speaker wire harness plug them into the pre-outs leaving speaker outputs from your deck on disconnnected-recomended if keeping factory speakers

 

[SlowTalonVa]

hmm okay im running new speakers so that what ill do is runn new speaker wire

 

[Attack Eagle]

how can you effectively begin troubleshooting without knowing the cicumstances? why make guesses as to what he has?

integrating the facory system usually saves the customer money which is why most shops tell you that your entire car needs to be rewired

Which is why several of us asked additional questions, as well as offering up things to check.

Troubleshooting is not fixing the problem. It is gathering info, providing info on various fail points for the customer or friend to check based upon what info is available, using that new info to further refine the possible fail points with new tests etc etc until you arrive at the final diagnosis.

T/S with inadequate info is guessing, but it is making educated guesses on things to check, not giving a diagnostic guess.

 

[SlowTalonVa]

wel thank you to everyone for giving input and trying to help i apprreciate it alot after reading all of your posts i pulled the deck out looked at the wires again and in the three unused wires coming from the harness on the car (probe) there was one that said remote amp turn on which i guess i over looked i was then stumped because i wasn't sure where to hook it to since i had the amp turn on that comes from the deck connected to the amp turn on from my sony 800 watt amp for my subs so i said well there is a power antenna turn on so i said maybe that will work and it did but only when the radio was on and not cds so i then found myself at another stand still because i wasn't sure where to connect so i connected it to the other amp turn on so from my remote amp turn on coming from my sony deck i had the fectory amp connected and the sony amp connected and it worked but now my question is will this really work or will it damage the factory amp or the sony amp ??? can i leave it ?? if i can not leave it where do i connect the factory amp turn on to ??? oh and ill post pics to show everyone how it turned out even though the car isn't a dsm

 

[Attack Eagle]

That is exactly how it is supposed to be.

your amp turn on is for both amps.

Glad you found the problem!

 

[spaceball]

your equip will not burn so long as you keep the volume below the point where the sound distorts. past that the first thing to go will be your speakers, after that hte fuses for your factory amp or if you have a fuse of too high a value in the spot for the oem sound and you happen to fry the oem amp which causes the sony to see a short (very sslight possibility) the finals in the deck will burn. sony equip has shit for overload protection. while most product will shut off when overloaded sony and jvc will fry-especially amps(the reason why my shop did not sell sony or jvc while i was there!). damn i forgot that sonys have both amp and ant remotes-you figured thatone out anyway. back on topic now; can you crank the deck volume to at least half way without getting noticeable distotion??

 

[spaceball]

Which is why several of us asked additional questions, as well as offering up things to check.

Troubleshooting is not fixing the problem. It is gathering info, providing info on various fail points for the customer or friend to check based upon what info is available, using that new info to further refine the possible fail points with new tests etc etc until you arrive at the final diagnosis.

T/S with inadequate info is guessing, but it is making educated guesses on things to check, not giving a diagnostic guess.

so you admit that you were guessing yet you tiptoe around directly saying it. i bet you are a supporter of john kerry.

 

[Attack Eagle]

so you admit that you were guessing yet you tiptoe around directly saying it. i bet you are a supporter of john kerry.

Nope: I was T/S with insufficient info for a complete diagnosis. Troubleshooting is a process not a solution. Unless you have the product in your own hand you are making educated guesses at possible failure points and giving info on how to determine if that failpoint is the one causing the problem.
I was no more guessing than you were when you asked if the blue wires were connected.

What does Kerry have to do with this thread? Did he install car stereos in Fords?

I feel you should adjust your attittude as it has been extremely poor towards others throughout this thread. I agree there was some serious misinfo posted by others here, and at the begining of this thread it was not even clear what car he was working on, much less which factory system, but that does not give you leave to be abusive or demeaning to other posters. The fact that some folks posted misinfo given by their installers or perhaps factory dealers trying to sell upgrades should be an oportunity to enlighten, not ridicule.

next time please try using some restraint when you post instead of posting hostile and unhelpful comments with "LUDICROUS SPEED".