My Idea, Good or bad?

[MyEclipse5]

I'm 15 (soon to be 16)(Christmas) And i will be able to afford a 5spd next year.

Now here is my process. Since i don't want a SUPER fast car as my second car, i want AT THE FASTEST low 13's. Anywhere under 14 is good for me.

Heres my idea: Buy a cheap RS(or GS) thats around me, and Turbo it. I figure i can get one cheap(it not being Turbo) then i can turbo it with a Hahn or Star(stoill doing research) and be happy with my times. Yes i know i will need suporting mods and to cuild it up, but heres my final question.

Would it be better to get a 1G AWD and take the chance of stuff breaking, if i get a 420A wouldnt it be more reliable) or is my idea good??

Which is cheaper?
Which is more reliable?
Which do you like better?

Thansk for your answers, and sorry for the mispelling and puncuation errors, as most of you may know i don't take my time and don't check over my work when i type online

EDIT: Please follow the rules and don't start a flamewar by saying "your a stupid 15 year old you don't need a "fast" car."

Also my friend currently has a 96 Eclipse RS that he might sell me if i can talk him into it.

 

[97eclipseRS]

you are not a stupid 15 year old in the least. i was in your shoes when i was that age and here i am 3 years later on the verge of becoming one of the the fastest all motor dsm's with a little laughing gas.........by the end of next summer newayz. i think you should stick with a 1g awd if you want 13's cheaply. only thing is they are a little hard to find, at least around here. you could buy one for 2k or less, do the free and basic mods and be running 14's or lower. they look pretty good if kept clean imo. im not sure as to their reliability since i havnt owned one yet. i personally like the looks of 2g's better but ima little biased towards them since i own one and its the reason i fell in love with dsm's in the first place. i know youve probably heard it a lot but do what you feel you will be happiest with, not what everyone else says you should do. look at me, so many people have told me boost your car cuz it wont be fast otherwise and everyone wants one thing for my car but i said #### that cuz imo originality is way better than following the crowd. if you are happy with your creation at the end of the day then that is all that matters. it sounds like you are leaning more towards the 2g so i would say go with that. before you make your decision, look into www.2gnt.com for some great info about 2gnt's from people who actually know what they are talking about. hope that helped

 

[MyEclipse5]

The thing is one of my friends might sell me his(like i said). So i would know its been taken care of, and hes not tryin to screw me over. Also its black(like i want).


I realize there going to be the same price, and in the long run the AWD would serve me better when i want to go "faster" but by then ill prolly jsut get an old Evo(by then the Evos will be kinda old).

But i heard 4G63's are kinda unreliable in some cases, well is the 420A any better when boosted? if so ill prolly stick with that.

Also how is traction on a FWD car that runs mid to low 13's?

And where can i see the Hahn and Star kits(websites?)

EDIT: i looked at the hahn kit(on there website) and my question is.

do i have to buy stage one BEFORE stage 2, stage 2 BEFORE stage 3. Or can i jsut buy stage 3 (or stage 2)? Do i have to go in order?

 

[Megags]

1gens are more reliable WHEN KEPT UP ON MAINTENANCE and when adding more power. They have betterflowing heads which helps to make more power. They also have better internals and more aggressive cams. But they are older and harder to find in good shape than 2g's. It is easier to make power on a 1g, not WAY easier, but easier for sure thanks to the bigger turbo. Traction on a 13s fwd ain't gonna be pretty... The same awd car would run 12's most likely.

Don't expect evo's to be cheap in the future just cause they are old, look at tt supras... Mostly yuppies buy them and have them serviced by the dealer so they are going to be in good cond for the most part. It's easier to start with something that has a turbo, specially since you haven't had the time to develop your mech skills to full potential.

Cheaper=1g
More reliable=1g takes power more reliably
What do I like=I like the looks of the 2g, but the 1g is close runner up blk with pop up headlights.

 

[MyEclipse5]

Originally posted by Megags
1gens are more reliable WHEN KEPT UP ON MAINTENANCE and when adding more power. They have betterflowing heads which helps to make more power. They also have better internals and more aggressive cams. But they are older and harder to find in good shape than 2g's. It is easier to make power on a 1g, not WAY easier, but easier for sure thanks to the bigger turbo. Traction on a 13s fwd ain't gonna be pretty... The same awd car would run 12's most likely.

Don't expect evo's to be cheap in the future just cause they are old, look at tt supras... Mostly yuppies buy them and have them serviced by the dealer so they are going to be in good cond for the most part. It's easier to start with something that has a turbo, specially since you haven't had the time to develop your mech skills to full potential.

Cheaper=1g
More reliable=1g takes power more reliably
What do I like=I like the looks of the 2g, but the 1g is close runner up blk with pop up headlights.

Exactly, by buying a 1G that i dion't know the owner of i could get screwed very easily, but by buying a 2G that i knw the owner i would feel safer. Plus this would be my daily driver.

How bad we talkin traction on teh 2G tough?

 

[Megags]

Originally posted by MyEclipse5
Exactly, by buying a 1G that i dion't know the owner of i could get screwed very easily, but by buying a 2G that i knw the owner i would feel safer. Plus this would be my daily driver.

How bad we talkin traction on teh 2G tough?

I can only speculate, but I'd bet youd burn in second if you weren't careful. As long as you check the 1g carefully you'll be ok. Compression, leak down test, looking at the color of the inside of the valve cover to see if it is brown or relatively light/golden in color indicating regular oil changes and no overheating. Look for leaky driveaxles and feeling if the gears are really notchy. Not to mention power, and how the ac responds when it's on.

 

[MyEclipse5]

the Main reason i want this car is to teach people wiht V8 trucks that a four-banger would kill them, i don't want a speed machine becaus eim omly 16(or will be)

Besides i am joining the ARMY and 4500 would be a nice cash payment on an Evo when im 18-20(freidn got 4500 sign up after basic)

It seems like i kinda have my mind made u, i am jsut waiting for the thing that might change my mind

 

[green95hrcgs]

Well first of all, you need to be careful when buying ANY previously owned turboed cars. Chances are they have been run pretty hard, so its pretty realistic to assume that it was. Enthusiasts are not the only people who think turbos are fun.

If you buy a 1st gen you may have to fix some things and you can most likely expect to fix things here and there since its an older car. It probably is the cheapest to make fast tho.

If you want a 2nd gen non-turbo you can get those for pretty cheap. Prob a bit more than a 1st gen turbo. IF you wanna get a turbo kit, you need to do your research. I recommend Hahn Race Craft. I have thier kit in stage 3.5-ish trim. There is a LOT to it other than dropping in the kit and running 13's. You have to remember that these kits work, but there are other things on the car that need to be upgraded as well to have a reliable car. These cars dont come with turbos so when you upgrade one thing you start to stress something else.

My car is hardly as reliable as it used to be. I still love it tho.

BTW you can just buy the Stage 2 or 3 or 4. You DO NOT have to buy in stages.

 

[MyEclipse5]

Yes i understand, thats why i would like to take the safer route and get a car form a person i KNOW, and have riddin in(the car).

I would most likely get the stage 2, updating to a stage 3 later if i really wanted to.

 

[green95hrcgs]

You should be fine with stage 2. My car was pretty reliable when I was running that stage. Just make sure that you run the appropriate boost level for that stage. The first thing to break on the car when boost is applied is the piston ring-lands.

You should be able to run somewhere in the mid-high 14's in the 1/4.

 

[MyEclipse5]

if i get(assuming it doesn't come with stage 2)
Pistons
Rods
Injectors
Fule pump
and adjust fuel/air ratio

then can i bump up boost levels, or do i need a rebuild on other parts of the engine?

 

[green95hrcgs]

If you upgrade all the that stuff + injectors you will be fine turning up the boost. You will also want to get a higher performance clutch to handle the xtra power.

If you have not checked out 2gnt.com........do so.

There is more info there than you will know what to do with and a LOT of people who are turboed. Check it out.

 

[KenshinXero]

But i heard 4G63's are kinda unreliable in some cases, well is the 420A any better when boosted? if so ill prolly stick with that.

The 420a is not better when boosted, the 420a can not handle the power that the 4g63 can, though as most cars, when you push that much power into a car, that car becomes unreliable with out the proper maintenance. You can go with getting an rs or gs and going with a hrc turbo, stage 2 seems to be the choice for those turboing gs rs 2gnts. If you want a fast car, the 1g block can handle better, put the 2g like most say, has a nicer look, i personally own a 1g n\t, and if i had the money i would turbo my car with a relatively low amount of money, just that the 1g nt block has different pistons and some minor details.

 

[MyEclipse5]

So your saying

95 420A w/Hahn 2 w/performance pistons and rods(5-10PSi) = 95 4G63 w/boost controller (15PSi)

??as in reliability

 

[97eclipseRS]

if the 420a had performance pistons and rods, that would pretty much make it a stage 3

 

[MyEclipse5]

ok so

Stage 3 = 4G63 with boost controller and some other mods???

on reliability