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Old 05-21-2003, 08:52 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #91 (permalink)
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Old 05-21-2003, 10:03 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #92 (permalink)
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why the roll eyes? are you not going to believe what i say about my own car and whats going on with it? i think i would have ruled out something as simple as a bov..
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Old 05-21-2003, 10:07 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #93 (permalink)
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why the roll eyes? are you not going to believe what i say about my own car and whats going on with it? i think i would have ruled out something as simple as a bov..
i rolled my eyes because u just dont get it.. i know its not your BOV valve.. and i said check for it leaking, if it was leaking you would build no boost, this would not blow your turbo.. have u even taking the turbo off and checked out the blades? maybe its as something as ## wastegate line popping off. its hard to believe that a pretty new 16g would just go for no reason.. start looking at it
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Old 05-21-2003, 10:23 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #94 (permalink)
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i think i would have realized if the the wastegate line was off. yes i have looked at the blades and they have been banging all over the place in the housing. im not stupid. i wouldn't go through the trouble of sending back my turbo to hahn if i didn't look in the turbo.. geez...
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Old 05-21-2003, 10:26 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #95 (permalink)
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i think i would have realized if the the wastegate line was off. yes i have looked at the blades and they have been banging all over the place in the housing. im not stupid. i wouldn't go through the trouble of sending back my turbo to hahn if i didn't look in the turbo.. geez...
never said u were stupid.. i was just checking to see if u did, sometimes people, including myself forget the obvious and its helpful when someone points it out. the point im saying is something bent those fins up or did something, it does just happen under low boost for no reason.. u sure nothing got down in there?
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Old 05-21-2003, 10:33 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #96 (permalink)
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we drained the oil and there is no metal shavings in the oil. we tested the oil line, plenty of oil..
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Old 05-21-2003, 10:36 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #97 (permalink)
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Yeah, no kidding. Hahn turbos may not be the best turbos but they are known to be reliable and it it RARE to see one break because of a defect. They are tested up to 100,000 rpm. Usually if a turbo is going to go bad it will happen within the 1st few miles or so not after months of having it. Also your wastegate flapper could get stuck open and that could cause it. I think we are all just trying to find out if it really is your turbo that is bad and not something simple.

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No metal shavings in the oil but what do your blades look like?

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Old 05-22-2003, 07:31 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #99 (permalink)
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the blades were screwed because they were smacking the inside of the housing, (shaft play did it)
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Old 05-22-2003, 08:10 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #100 (permalink)
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Right but what is wrong with the blades? Scrapes or bends?

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Old 05-22-2003, 10:18 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #101 (permalink)
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the look bent because they were rubbing on the inside of the housing. you can also see scratch marks on the inside of the housing.
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Old 05-22-2003, 10:30 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #102 (permalink)
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Man thats messed up.

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Old 05-22-2003, 10:37 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #103 (permalink)
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Were you running 10psi on a freshly rebuilt motor? How many miles did you wait to boost it?
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Old 05-22-2003, 12:10 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #104 (permalink)
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i waited about 600 miles before i started boosting
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Old 05-22-2003, 03:13 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #105 (permalink)
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well...... hahn called back.

we put a new oil fitting in the turbo with a new oil line.. the oil line was not the problem, the fitting going into the turbo was.. it turns out that the flange for the oil inlet was turned in just a way that no oil was getting into the turbo... we should have never changed that fitting. we thought it was going to help get more oil in there.. looks like we were wrong.

in short.. it fried. nothing is usable. i have no idea how im going to afford 800 bux for a new turbo.
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Old 05-23-2003, 10:04 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #106 (permalink)
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Well when you get your turbo back I would hold off boosting until at least 1000 miles. 600 is not that bad, but I would hate to see you have to pull those pretty pistons out again. I am waiting till 1500.
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i just wanted to tell everyone that a 20g has been purchased from hahn and i should finally get some more vids soon.

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20G is here and is installed. I should have videos tonight.

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Old 06-01-2003, 11:16 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #109 (permalink)
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impatiently waiting....

How much boost do you plan on running with the 20g?
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ill run 15lbs of boost with the 20g.

i was going to go to the track tonight, but unfortunatly they aren't having test and tune tonight.. looks like i will have to wait for friday.

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What do you you think your car is at now with hp and whp?

What electronics do you have hooked up to it, or will get?
Im thinking one day I'll either get the Accel or greddy e-manage
I heard with the dfi you get almost no lag if tuned correctly.
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Old 06-04-2003, 09:38 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #112 (permalink)
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What do you you think your car is at now with hp and whp?

What electronics do you have hooked up to it, or will get?
Im thinking one day I'll either get the Accel or greddy e-manage
I heard with the dfi you get almost no lag if tuned correctly.
lag depends on the turbo and etc, not electronics
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Old 06-05-2003, 08:18 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #113 (permalink)
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okay, but if you have an ecu that can correctly add more fuel and air it would compensate for the lag. I know someone with 25psi boost and Frank 4, stock motor, no lag. Accel Dfi.
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Old 06-05-2003, 09:40 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #114 (permalink)
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What do you you think your car is at now with hp and whp?

What electronics do you have hooked up to it, or will get?
Im thinking one day I'll either get the Accel or greddy e-manage
I heard with the dfi you get almost no lag if tuned correctly.
I really have no idea what im pushing right now. Im hoping for around 350whp. The only electronics i have are an apexi rev/speed and TT.

Here are some videos guys..

The first one is kinda long, but there is a 10 to 120mph punch in it. 10 to 120 in 15 seconds.

http://www.gsturbo.com/james/drive-6-02-03.MPG

The second one is short, just of my gauges during a warmup.

http://www.gsturbo.com/james/gauges-6-02-03.MPG

If someone could mirror these, that would be nice.
Eventually Im going to take all the videos I have and combine them into once nice video, when I figure out the software that is...
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Old 06-05-2003, 10:08 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #115 (permalink)
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okay, but if you have an ecu that can correctly add more fuel and air it would compensate for the lag. I know someone with 25psi boost and Frank 4, stock motor, no lag. Accel Dfi.
umm.. still no.. the exhaust spins the turbine and the size and such decides on how much it takes to get it spun fully. not fuel/air
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Old 06-05-2003, 10:21 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #116 (permalink)
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Ok, I dont know anything. We'll see on June 14th what this guy's car can do with the DFI, then I'll see if he's right. He will only get one pass though.
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im sure the car is fast with the DFI but i just cant understand how it can elimanate lag.
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It can't. The lag, as BD1000 stated is caused by the gases spinning the turbine (spooling) and then spinning the compressor fast enough to compress the air (boost). The accell dfi can be used on a non turbo car as a "stand alone fuel system". In a turbo car it could be used as a full stand alone (controlling spark as well), however neither of these things effect turbo lag. I have a feeling someone is confusing you with the wrong terminology or something.
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The only thing's that will take care of lag is bigger free flowing exhaust system, & bigger displacement, & nitirous those are the only thigs that will take care of lag.


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Ok maybe you guys might be right; I'm not gonna say anything to the guy to insult him, (im trying to buy some parts off him). He DID offer me to drive the car around the block to test it out, so maybe next time I see him....
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