Idea

[Laser93Nash]

Sitting in school I was thinking. And I cam up with this idea. Sounds good to me. Let me know what you think.

Since X-Mas is comming up I was thinking about making a deal with my parents to goto a junkyard and find a wrecked cylinder head w/ intake manifold on it. From a Turbo 1g. Saving it. Save what money I get for X-mas from everyone else. Porting and polishing the head and intake. Maybe some valve upgrades?? (I don't know much about valves or valve springs) Buy a pacesetter header, heat wrap it and spray it with that other heat resistant stuff. Then buy a highflow downpipe and straight pipe to replace cat. Then put it all on.

I know X-mas money alone wont get all that. But do you think thats a good idea?? Cause I need my car to drive, so I can't take the cyl head off it. And maybe get some hks cams?? And CAI? I dunno. Again, just trying to think of ideas to get some hp outta my car w/o NOS or turbo.

Lemme know what you guys think. Or if you have any ideas.

~Andrew~

 

[Defiant]

It is recommended to avoid Pace Setter.

 

[Laser93Nash]

I've herd people say to stay away from them. But, what other headers are there for the 1g N/A's??

~Andrew~

 

[r.a. frank]

slim pickings man...here's a few that i found:

hedman hedders has one--->chikara header..i dont know the price or quality of this header.

machv.com has one--->stainless steel with downpipe...$450

archer racing header has one--->stainless steel...$399

i've heard to stay away from pace setter as well, i know these are a bit pricy but im assuming the quality has got to be pretty good.

-Royce-

 

[Ralli///Art GS]

Originally posted by Laser93Nash
I've herd people say to stay away from them. But, what other headers are there for the 1g N/A's??

~Andrew~

Here is the real deal with the pacesetter. I bought it to replace the stock header which broke at the flex joint. To start the thing wouldn't even fit on my head, the two end studs are bigger then the rest of the studs, so i had to drill them out. The gaskets are very poor quality and don't last long at all. They become very brittle and crack in a million places producing numerous leaks. After about 5 months the flanges are all warped and leak, so you have to take the header off and file them flat again. Instead of a braided flex joint there is this "ball and coupler" type joint, which doesn't flex enough at all. a week ago the mounting bracket by the oil pan broke, putting a 2in long hole in the header, so i had to reweld that. On the good side there was a noticeable power gain above 4000 RPM, so if you are prepared to deal with the troubles of this header then it's worth it for the power gain i think. since the other available headers cost a pretty penny. I looked everywhere for the chikara header to no avail, anyone know where i can find it?

 

[Ralli///Art GS]

Andrew it seems that your never ending power quest is pointed in the wrong direction. You seem to be approaching the all motor 4g63 with the mindset your going to make turbo power for cheap. To have the head done properly it would cost over a grand for the port polish cams valves labor etc. etc. The cams alone are going to be almost 600. My buddy built an RT turbo motor for his neon, and he has 6000 into the motor easily. that doesn't include turbo, FMIC, and all the rest. If you are looking for inexpensive horse power you need nitrous. If anyone knows where you can get 80 hp gains for 500 bucks please let me know. 80 hp from nitrous is going to put the same load on your motor as 80 hp from $2000.00 worth of head work. IMHO you should put a nitrous system in, the proper fuel management/supply, and mods to make the nitrous more effective (i.e. Intake, header, exhaust, manifold, gm MAS, turbo cams, etc.) mods that increase the flow and work with the nitrous. Those mods coupled with the nitrous will make your car quicker than you think. I'm not making outrageous claims about my car but i've beat my fair share of GSR's and what not. those mods should put your car near 200hp give or take. Thats enough to beat most hondas and mabye even your buddy's mighty RSX if you can outdrive him. by the way did you nail his girlfriend yet? anyone who reads this correct me if i'm wrong in anything i've said.

 

[Laser93Nash]

I guess your right Ralli. I'm thinkin of doin a few mods to my laser. And then save me money and get a 91 TSI er sumthin. How high of milage can a turbo 1g stand w/o turning into a POS and having to be repaired every weeked?? In other words, if I do buy a turbo. How many miles are too much?

~Andrew~

 

[Ralli///Art GS]

it all depends on the previous owners. my car has 164k on it and i still spray and it doesn't burn oil. if the previous owner was some old guy who used it as a commuter car then milage probably isn't that big of an issue. If it was some hot rod kid who had a awd burnout fetish, then it's probably got it's fair share of problems at 90K. Any DSM is going to have problems at higher milage. I have so many electrical gremlins it's scary. but mechanically my car is solid, so it all depends. but if you want straight line speed you should save up for a turbo. The other option is to look for one already tastefully modified with and engine rebuild or fresh major parts like a motor, tranny, transfer case, etc. etc.. If the car is well done then you know the owner probably didn't destroy the synchros or strip the gears, and he looked after it. I got my car off an old guy who commuted to work in it every day, it probably never saw anything past 3500 rpm and it was all highway miles. so it all depends where you get it from.

 

[workin_on_it]

seems like everyone hates pacesetter???? mine has been on for almost 9 months, and i havent had a prbelm with it yet......i had no problem bolting it on either? i also ported it myself and exhaust wrapped it.
i think you should just give in and convert to turbo. you arent going to get any real power out the thing unless you spray(like ralli art said) or turbo it.....you should resaerch turboing it.....

 

[Blueheat23]

heres that Chikara header....its not available till next month but its the only place i have found it. I have also heard great things about this header and its at a damn decent price point.

Chikara Header

ive just got a lil something to say about the whole..how many miles is to many when buying a DSM, and this goes for turbo or NA and im feeling i might go off on a ran here so bare with me..


I bought my car in Jan. of 2003 (almost a year now) when i purchased the car the following things had been done (all documented with paperwork)

NEW engine from Engine House, it had 13,000 miles on it at the time i bought it...
NEW radiator, had about 200 miles on it
NEW clutch, had about 2000 miles on it
NEW oil pump, very few miles..barely driven with new pump

had the car checked out at my mechanic and they said despite a few minor things the car was tip top. also the frame had 103,000 miles on it at time of purchase...

in the almost year ive had this car you want to know what ive had to replace? EVERYTHIGN EXCEPT THE DAMN ENGINE.

All new brakes, i mean ALL new (calipers, rotors, pads)
New clutch (the one the guy put in before i bought the car was VERY poor quality and it grenaded on me)
tranny was completely rebuilt
another new oil pump along with pressure sensor
O2 sensor
Water pump
another new radiator
ALL new struts
ALL new engine mounts
Both front cv boots
ignition switch
power steering pump
alternator

i didnt replace these parts cuz i wanted to, but because i HAD to. ive invested around 8000 dollars in this car just to keep it running then there was the whole turbo setup i tried for 3 months after everythign was rebuilt and that didnt work out so now im back to NT. after all of that ive still got a host of electrical and interior/exterior problems to fix. (most of you must wonder why i still own this car, but my parents have helped me out through the repairs)

so i guess what im trying to say is you never can tell with a DSM. you could find a 92 GS with a fresh rebuild and plenty of new parts and get screwed, and you might also find a 92 GST with 8 million miles and never have half the problems ive had with my car. thats not to say i dont like my car, i love my car, there is somethign about a DSM that sucks you in and keeps you there (otherwise why the hell would i have spent the money ive spent on this damn thing) I thought i was making one hell of a deal when i originally purchased this car and it all ended up going to hell on me over the next 6 months. i dont know how much that really helped your decision but i just had to get that out of me, and i hope ive given at least a little insight!

 

[Ralli///Art GS]

Thanks for the link Blue, Those headers look real nice, i'm certainly upgrading once they come out. looks like they have a connector below the mating flanges, interesting. I know exactly what your talking about with the dsm sucking you in. It's like the 3 days grace song " I hate everything about you, why do i love you" The good times in a DSM outweigh the bad. Sorry to hear your car Fu*ked you over so bad. So that shows to go ya Andrew, you never know what your gonna get with a DSM. Either stick with what you have and make the best of it, or go and try your hand at a turbo. For some reason I like my non turbo. I've beat people and when they find out that it's a NT they're even more suprised. Making power with a NA car is far more impressive than making power with a turbo.

 

[Defiant]

If it's worth anything to read it, Hedman is one of the old companies who has a good reputation- they're in there with Edelbrock and Crower, same era.