Who has the FASTEST n/t car on here?

[Doug99RS]

I was most definitely being sarcastic. I really don't see any n/a 420A getting in to the 12's without some serious sponsorship, tons of motor work, and a stripped out chassis. I really don't see the average joe getting any lower than 14 flat without moderate to heavy mods as well. That's my opinion based on what I've seen at the track and of the stories I KNOW to be true. Most everything else is just bench racing and until we see some time slips there's really no need to keep asking about times. Just go look at the 1/4 mile times we have posted on here. They got posted because they were backed up with slips or from people who we all know aren't lying.
Doug

[EclipseAtLSU]

Took her to the track last night to test the intake.

Bests

R/T - .134
60' - 2.347
1/8 - 10.108
MP - 68.xx
1/4 ET - 15.674
1/4 MPH - 88.48

Nice for the n/a clipse...with just intake and exhaust

[miamieclipse]

if i ran a 14 flat i would extremly excited, especially since it would be all motor. I have considered it and after all that i am going to finish it off wit a 50 shot of nos. When i break the 13s ill be jumpin for joy lol,

[Thunderskull]

Originally posted by jayden1
what the hell if all you guys are running is mid 15 then you guys need to come out to the sticks here in indiana or something. my car ran a low 16 stock. not to mention a year later im running low 14. what the heck are you doing. my buddys 1.6 civic runs faster than that. no nos no turbo straight motor. To me after i got all my parts on and my engine done then it was all tuning. I bought a aem ecu and programmed it myself with the help of a few friends of course. Id put it on the dyno and then tune again until i got maximum horse. it even has featrues of where i can switch for everyday driving and for when im at the strip.

Yes, and you're running with a nitrous setup. Nitrous is another method of forced induction. These guys are talking about running naturally aspirated all motor or with bolt ons.

[dr1665]

The only way my all motor monster is going to break into the high 13s is with a military surplus solid fuel booster rocket in the hatch or if Bill Hahn is pushing my car down the track with his. :P
And I'm throwing some serious hardware into the mix.

[Initial DSM]

I would say a n/t with adjustable cam gears, crane 18 cams, standalone ecu, race ported head, extrude honed intake manifold with 60mm throttle body, LSD, slicks, a short ram intake set up to a custom hood with true ram air inlet, full 2.75" exhaust with high flow cat, and a stroked Dodge stratus 2.6L block, bored .40 over with 12:1 compression running on 116 race gas would be the best way to break into the 13's NA.

[dr1665]

adjustable cam gears - check
crane 18 cams - check
standalone ecu - AFX unit & SAFC2 (not quite, but still)
race ported head - check
extrude honed intake manifold - planned
60mm throttle body - considering
LSD - check
slicks - considering
short ram intake - considering
custom hood with true ram air inlet - considering
full 2.75" exhaust with high flow cat - 2.5" no cat
stratus 2.6L block, bored .40 over with 12:1 compression running on 116 race gas - stock displacement 420A running 93 octane at 10.5:1

would be the best way to break into the 13's NA.

I'm just hoping for mid 14s myself. We'll see...

[hurleypunk3269]

about the "factory freak"... i have a 00 rs with just a k&n filter and it has always seemed faster than other 3g 4cyls. my friend has a 01 rs and he can never keep up with me...and i raced a 2gb sypder with cat-back and intake and he said i was the first 3g to ever beat him. my car was also the loudest stock eclipse ive ever heard. alot of ppl think i have a straight pipe or something...whats up with that? maybe some cars just turn out a lil better than others...

[Eclipse96Ryder]

check if u have a straight pipe, lol, it takes like 4 seconds...

all you gotta do is get on ## hands and knees...what u wanna do after u check on your knees is up to you...haha just playing

[hurleypunk3269]

lol...maybe I'll have your mom check for me j/k man

[99BLKECLIPSE]

Hey all you fellow N/T what are you all doing wrong I ran a 15.2 @ 86mph tried to scan damn slip wont read that light typing. reaction time was even a .468 :thumbdown which suxs and didnt dump clutch since halfshaft is slippin a bit. I know you all can do better practice ## take offs the 420A is a bad a** engine. wait til i hit the lotto and put some money in it.
But atleast we all are keeping in the 15 sec range which aint bad unless you done alot of work in engine and still runnin 15s then give up racin and go home :eek:
Keep it up you all Non Turbo's keep em naturally aspirated

[dr1665]

Originally posted by 99BLKECLIPSE
Hey all you fellow N/T what are you all doing wrong I ran a 15.2 @ 86mph tried to scan damn slip wont read that light typing. reaction time was even a .468 :thumbdown which suxs and didnt dump clutch since halfshaft is slippin a bit. I know you all can do better practice ## take offs the 420A is a bad a** engine. wait til i hit the lotto and put some money in it.
But atleast we all are keeping in the 15 sec range which aint bad unless you done alot of work in engine and still runnin 15s then give up racin and go home :eek:

You make me laugh man. Apparently you didn't read your own profile which states the following:

Car: 99 Eclipse N/T
Bolt-on Mods: Fast tech cpu, CAI, Bomz rear section exhaust
Engine Internals: NONE
Suspension,
Wheels & Tires: just konig 16"
Wishlist: now headers,UDP, cams, NOS. Later TURBO NONE OF THESE EITHER?!?!
Timesplip Info: 1/4 Mile: 16.262@86.003mph
1/8 Mile: 10.506@0.000mph
60': 2.536
Track: Louisiana Speedway
Race or Pump Gas? Pump Gas

No way in hell man. No way in hell. The fastest stock displacement 2GNT ever recorded was billymack with a 14.6 ET. That car is long since gone and that makes VX100 from RI the fastest with a documented 15.3 ET. Now I see a lot of BS here, but to bump a month old thread and make these sort of claims given your mods list is hillarious imo. I'm putting over $5 grand into the same engine in a 97 and will be aiming for 14.9s and 200hp.

EDIT:
How the hell did you manage to run a full second faster and trap at the same exact speed too? Maybe your 60ft time was 1.3 or something? I call BS.

Until I sees video, I laugh at choo myman. I laugh at choo.

[98_silvergs]

Originally posted by dr1665
You make me laugh man. Apparently you didn't read your own profile which states the following:

Car: 99 Eclipse N/T
Bolt-on Mods: Fast tech cpu, CAI, Bomz rear section exhaust
Engine Internals: NONE
Suspension,
Wheels & Tires: just konig 16"
Wishlist: now headers,UDP, cams, NOS. Later TURBO NONE OF THESE EITHER?!?!
Timesplip Info: 1/4 Mile: 16.262@86.003mph
1/8 Mile: 10.506@0.000mph
60': 2.536
Track: Louisiana Speedway
Race or Pump Gas? Pump Gas

No way in hell man. No way in hell. The fastest stock displacement 2GNT ever recorded was billymack with a 14.6 ET. That car is long since gone and that makes VX100 from RI the fastest with a documented 15.3 ET. Now I see a lot of BS here, but to bump a month old thread and make these sort of claims given your mods list is hillarious imo. I'm putting over $5 grand into the same engine in a 97 and will be aiming for 14.9s and 200hp.

EDIT:
How the hell did you manage to run a full second faster and trap at the same exact speed too? Maybe your 60ft time was 1.3 or something? I call BS.

Until I sees video, I laugh at choo myman. I laugh at choo.

I have to agree with DR here, I don't read these kind of threads too much, but this moron is out of his mind. 15.2 on an NA with a BOMZ exhaust and a CAI? Give me a break kid.....

[dr1665]

Originally posted by 98_silvergs
I have to agree with DR here, I don't read these kind of threads too much, but this moron is out of his mind. 15.2 on an NA with a BOMZ exhaust and a CAI? Give me a break kid.....

long time no see sir.

[99BLKECLIPSE]

Hey dude I'm not knockin anyone I'm just stating facts. Iam getting video of the races and if you can tell me how to post it I will or hell I will e-mail to you. My freinds GSX has nos and he lost his 2nd gear and he ran 14 to 15 dude 16.2 is slow as shit but enough talk i tried to scan the damn time slip but the scanner won't pickup the lettering so im getting video from friend today. So for now say B.S and later you can soy H.S. Later

Originally posted by dr1665
You make me laugh man. Apparently you didn't read your own profile which states the following:

Car: 99 Eclipse N/T
Bolt-on Mods: Fast tech cpu, CAI, Bomz rear section exhaust
Engine Internals: NONE
Suspension,
Wheels & Tires: just konig 16"
Wishlist: now headers,UDP, cams, NOS. Later TURBO NONE OF THESE EITHER?!?!
Timesplip Info: 1/4 Mile: 16.262@86.003mph
1/8 Mile: 10.506@0.000mph
60': 2.536
Track: Louisiana Speedway
Race or Pump Gas? Pump Gas

No way in hell man. No way in hell. The fastest stock displacement 2GNT ever recorded was billymack with a 14.6 ET. That car is long since gone and that makes VX100 from RI the fastest with a documented 15.3 ET. Now I see a lot of BS here, but to bump a month old thread and make these sort of claims given your mods list is hillarious imo. I'm putting over $5 grand into the same engine in a 97 and will be aiming for 14.9s and 200hp.

EDIT:
How the hell did you manage to run a full second faster and trap at the same exact speed too? Maybe your 60ft time was 1.3 or something? I call BS.

Until I sees video, I laugh at choo myman. I laugh at choo.

[guitaraholic]

Well, I am definatly not saying mine is the fastest or even fast, but I did get a 6.7 0-60 time (timed it with a GPS that is accurate as hell, timer goes once movement is sensed), My mods are listed
Just thought I would post a time,, thanks,, (but its a true time)

93/NT Talon ES

- Hacked Air Can (working on making a CAI)
- Turbo Cams (going to get them reground soon)
- UDP
- Removed the Balance Shafts
- Headers
- Ported and mildly polished head (PITA to DIY!!)
- Shaved head to increase compression ratio
- Weight reduction 100lbs (A/C, Spare, ect)
- Engine Fully Balanced
- Advanced the timing a bit
and got a time of 6.7 seconds,, NO JOKE... in fact, that's with my hefty 200lb friend in the passenger side and a FULL tank of gas)

[jdm93dsm]

how much did u get shaved off of your head?

Im almost done with mine... im still looking for a ported intake manifold but right now this is what i have done.

K&N cold air intake
removed balance shafts
AEM adjustable timing gears
stage 3 crower turbo cams
titanium retainers and springs
headers
removed cat (thinking about running a strait pipe.)
toga high vol. oil pump

I can't wait to see how it turns out.

[94Talon2]

I went to the track in the fall and ran a 15.8, 15.9 and 15.8.
My mods are, udp, 93 turbo cams, intake, exhaust, iridium plugs, wires, and act 2100.

I'm going to rebuild my head soon, and I also want to get a thin head gasket or shave my head a bit, I was thinking .010". I also want to remove the B-shafts. Did you guys notice a difference? Do you recommend taking the b shafts out?

Thanks

[Lowerd1]

Originally posted by projectturbo99 Factory freak My ass
no such FU#@ING thing, stop saying the BS.

There are such things as Factory Freaks. This qoute is for the Grand Prix but holds true to ALL CARS.

http://www.zzperformance.com/zzp/inf...tory_freak.htm

What Makes a Factory Freak?
Did you ever wonder how 2 people with the seemingly exact same car could run such different ¼ mile times? Well here is a peek into why that happens and what you can do to turn your GP into a factory freak.

There are many reasons that some people with similar mods run much faster than others in the ¼ mile. Some you can control while others you can’t.

Driver skill
This takes practice. Running a 2.0 60’ instead of a 2.3 60’ will drop you from a 14.9 to a 14.5 in the ¼ mile. This is because time dropped from your 60’ equals a larger gain that that amount off of your ET. For tips on improving your launch click here.

Driver weight, believe it or not but some member are over 200 lbs heavier than others. This means that the greatest improvement in this category would come from them going on a diet!

Track preparation
While some feel that you can’t do anything to your car and call it stock others do things like remove the spare tire and headlight. Others will race with only a small amount of fuel in the car. For tips on track prepping you car click here.

Some tracks spray there launching section with VHT TrackBite, which greatly contributes to a car launching ability.

The temperature of a track attributes to traction as well. Here is where warm weather can actually help you. A hot track sticks like glue.

Weather
The temperature of the outside is very critical. Members who live in the Southern states know that it is very difficult if not impossible to run the types of time that us Northern guys do. Cold air is more dense, holds more oxygen, resists detonation and usually is less humid than warm air.

The humidity of air is another factor. Humid air does not hold as much oxygen and is a bad thing for going fast.

The barometer can make more difference that a pulley swap in some cases. Trying to race in altitude is all but futile if you are trying to break some records. Even at the same track the air pressure can vary from day to day.
Now on to the interesting stuff. Why is it that some cars just make more hp than others when they have the exact same mods and are in the exact same atmosphere conditions?

The Supercharger
When Eaton made the M90 they decided for one reason or another to machine the first ½" of the inlet of the SC housing. Unfortunately because of mass production this machining process isn’t perfect and some housings come out better than others. Below is a picture and you can see just how off center the machining was done on this particular blower.

Eaton blower housings seem to prefer certain rotors to others. This means that when you take 2 brand new M90s one will inevitably produce slightly more boost than the other. Even when you switch housings from one to another there is no way to predict whether you will gain some output or lose a little.

The bypass plate varies from blower to blower as well. On some SC’s the bypass seals much better than others producing more efficient operation and decreased outlet temps with higher boost.

Exhaust
The front exhaust manifold does not have large holes in it that just totally cover the head exhaust outlets. Instead they are shaped in a way that makes their placement affect performance. There is a little play in the mounting holes causing performance to vary from vehicle to vehicle. The front manifold is made of cast iron and this means that flow will vary just a little from car to car.

The rear manifold is made of tubes kind of like a header. These are put together very fast and while doing the work on our ported manifolds we noticed that some cars were setup much better than others. This includes how far the #6 tube extends into the main piece and how far the O2 sensor mount extends into the factory header.
Gaskets
The intake manifold gaskets seem to vary wildly from car to car and this can make a big difference in how your ports will flow.

The TB gasket is sometimes misaligned with how your blower has been machined.

Checking your copper exhaust manifold gaskets for carbon deposits can reveal a misalignment.

The HEAD GASKET is very critical on a GTP. In pulling a few heads off we noticed a few things about the L67. One is that the gaskets are not perfectly round. They have a strange shape to them. One can only speculate that this is to contour to the shape of the head. The other thing you notice is that each car’s gaskets look a little different and sometimes on certain cylinders the gasket come right up to the edge of the cylinder wall. This can cause detonation in a big way. The edge of the head gasket is very thin metal and doesn’t have a sink to dissipate the heat like the head does. A head gasket can glow red hot if it overhangs into the combustion chamber even a few thousandths. We believe that this is the biggest difference between GPs as to why some have so much more KR than others.

Rocker arms
GM states that the rocker arm ratio on a Series II 3800 is 1.60. Now that we have modified rockers available we know how much difference in hp a different ratio can make. From the factory the rockers do not always come exactly 1.60, after measuring many we have found that each stock rocker’s ratio seems to be slightly different.

Race weight
A stock GTP weighs about 3500 lbs. If you do some calculations for weight effect on GP performance you will find that every 8 pounds of weight on a stock GP is equal to around .01 in the ¼ mile. With the variances in driver weight, different levels of fuel or other fluids, and some people removing all the extra stuff in there cars times can vary as much as .3 or more. With a large stereo these differences can be even greater.

Camshaft
After measuring the lobes on a cam we found that they can vary from lobe to lobe. This means that some cams are going to inevitably be ‘better’ than others.

Tires
Worn tires can sometimes be a good thing. They are slightly shorter and if they are less than a year old the rubber is still soft enough to give good traction. This added gearing as well as the tire being lighter will help with launching and trap speeds. Using different brands of tires can amplify the above differences.

PCM
For some reason yet unknown to us certain PCM’s seem to reset and favor higher timing than others. Why this is we haven’t figured out yet but without doubt it could cause one car to have more hp than another.

Knock sensors
Every Series II 3800 has two knock sensors, one on the front of the engine and one on the rear. Thanks to the wonders of mass production every knock sensor is going to have sensitivity variances. Because the knock sensors are used in determining timing this alone can cause vast differences in total advance.

Fuel
Most people have a brand of gas they like to buy. For me it’s Shell but depending on where you buy your gas you are going to end up with a little higher or a little lower octane of fuel.

Oil
Believe it or not but oil can make a difference. Using synthetic oil will reduce friction in your engine. This has many benefits including increased power output. The Viscosity of your oil will also determine how fast your lifters bleed down.

ZZP is a performance parts maker and has run numerous test on the GP engines to find this out.

Sorry to reply to a post that was on page 1 but I had to clear that up.

Also remember just like their are Factory Freaks, there are factory Slugs also, or so called Monday cars when the workers were just too hung over to really care about the work they did.