420a cams?? what do you recommend?

[davidaham]

i love my set up. it really runs good it has a very mild lope. and still gets good gas mileage. you can get the hole kit including you choice of cams and timeing gears all in one kit from modernperformance.com it was high but so worth it. i ordered a new oem head from Mitsubishi had it ported and polished the motor has close to 15k on it now and still runs great

[babyjoker]

Originally Posted by davidaham

i love my set up. it really runs good it has a very mild lope. and still gets good gas mileage. you can get the hole kit including you choice of cams and timeing gears all in one kit from modernperformance.com it was high but so worth it. i ordered a new oem head from Mitsubishi had it ported and polished the motor has close to 15k on it now and still runs great

How much did the new head from mitsubishi run you?

[davidaham]

well i have a friend that works up there he got it at shop cost.but it still ran me $526.49 after taxs. the old head was trashed

[Fotowntalon]

that aint to bad, but why did ya want a new head, isntead of just reparing a used one? would have been cheaper, and would work just as fine sense you arnt building for boost

[davidaham]

the previous owner was a young girl and she ran the car out of oil. and spun a bearing then the connecting rod broke piston came up and cracked the bottom of the head so really hadno choice but to buy a new one

[Fotowntalon]

meant repairing a used one as in buying a used one first, then getting that resurfaced and ported.

[davidaham]

Originally Posted by Fotowntalon

meant repairing a used one as in buying a used one first, then getting that resurfaced and ported.

at the time the thought of a new headed sounded better. and the last used head i bought i got screwd

[zrb16]

Originally Posted by bullettdsm

One more thing about those cams guys. If you choose to go turbo, these cams are not a waste of money. They are the cam I would choose to use on a turbo set-up (as a matter of fact I did, lol).

MB

You would choose these over the turbo grind?

[bullettdsm]

Originally Posted by zrb16

You would choose these over the turbo grind?

Yes;

Originally Posted by bullettdsm

They are the cam I would choose to use on a turbo set-up (as a matter of fact I did, lol).

MB

[gudz519]

Originally Posted by 740 Turbo Brick

If you want to go non turbo 420A, get Crower 2s, as mentioned.

This may change your decision about wanting to go turbo, when I fired her up and heard this, it was all worth it.



^ Listen to on some good bassy speakers.

sick video mann quick question how much did it cost for the cam install or did u do it yourself and does your car run better with the egr block off?

[zrb16]

Originally Posted by bullettdsm

Yes;



MB

I know you said you would , I was wondering why? I've been looking to get some and I would like to know the reasoning behind your choice? So if you could help me out I would appreciate it.

[740 Turbo Brick]

Originally Posted by gudz519

sick video mann quick question how much did it cost for the cam install or did u do it yourself and does your car run better with the egr block off?

Thanks. I did it myself, cams were used, about $200, bought a timing kit plus upper gasket set, another $200. Had tools and garage to do it in myself, so spent at the most maybe $450 for the complete install.

As for the EGR blockoff, Im not sure if it runs better, but it will keep your IM cleaner. And it was neccesary for me, because of the cams duration the EGR tube was taking in pretty much straight fire, making the tube get hot enough to smoke, burn paint off it, and melt insulation on wires 4 inches away.... So the whole EGR blockoff kit was just to get rid of that nonsence. I will probably have to modify it to work for when it gets inspected.

[xceler8]

Originally Posted by Fotowntalon

While any turbo will make better HP numbers not any turbo will make quicker times, bullets NA is faster than a lott of turbos . Although it is true the fastest turbos will always be faster than the fastest NA's.

I think for everyone not goin turbo they have their reasons, I know for me personally I have a lot of reasons. Now just to be clear I am not saying or arguing that NA is better, just stating why I choose to go that route.

1) Turbo lag- I cant stand it, I've driven my friends subaru with a TMIC, and just hated the turbo lag, when he is driving I can't even feel it, but when i put my foot down, it makes me want to cringe, I love the instant power I get out of a NA

2) Sleeper- No one ever expects a fast NA, wether they be DSMer's honduh's or w/e, the sleeper aspect is great for leaving mouths open

3)Underdog- I just always love cheering for the underdog, one of the reasons i rooted for the giants of pats in the superbowl, I just like making things harder on myself i guess, because the payoff is always better

4) Challange- about anyone can slap on a turbo and go 200+ HP, but it takes much hard work and effort to get that in a NA.

5) Reliability/first time tuner- This is my first tuner car, and i figured I'd start with a NA to learn about cars, and not risk blowing my engine with a first time tuner messing with boost and etc. Also it's my daily driver, so another reason I needed that reliability, and I just dont feel it would be as reliable with a turbo (not saying 420T's arnt reliable, just feel NA is more reliable, less moving parts to go wrong)

Hope this shreds some light on why some of us went NA builds, and I am sure others have other reasons, but more importantly I hope I convinced some people to stay NA

Hmmmm, lets see here:
1) it was a subaru! If I took you for a ride in my evo, you would think it was N/A minus the now 400AWHP issue that it has!

2)Kep your GS badge on the back of your eclipse and let everyone think you still have a n/a...I had that for a while until my last body shop took it off and I just rolled with it. I did surprise a few turbo eclipses when they thought they were gonna hav a nice lunch!

3)You can still think your the underdog...

4)No, it actually takes a lot of hard work to design yourself a well rounded turbo system for your car. Your right anyone can slap a turbo on their car and you know what they get..a laggy turboed car that might have 200 hp. you know what we call them over here.. a honda

5)Keep your boost low ie 5-8 psi on a standard t3/t04 50 tim or a nice spooling evo 8 turbo (16g). has great spool up. be sure you do your reserch ahead of time and ask questions to those who can and want to help out. Start slow and you will get addicted to boost the first time you hear your own car spooling a turbo and blowwing off!

Good luck

by the way, I'm just got crane 0014 cams and crane valvesprings I will be putting into my eclipse this next week. I will be retuning accordingly with my ms.

rob

Oh yeah, EGR blockoff FTW!