MY 420a race car!!!!!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by DSM-ZERO

change the suspension to a double wishbone insted of a mcpherson strut

McPherson struts provide a kingpin and mounting point for the wheel. 2g DSM's use a multi-link suspension to provide a kingpin line, and mount the wheel, with standard struts.

Any vehicle with upper control arms, does not use McPherson struts.

[DSM-ZERO]

Originally Posted by blackifre22

13" wheels do fit on our stock brakes

then what dose the backspacing have to be at
....you let me know because.....EVERYONE i ask this too seems to never know the answer ......but they all seem to know that 13's will fit....
and were can i find a set of 13inch drag rims that have our bolt pattern. Because every 13 i see only come in a 4x100 or 110 bolt pattern

That is the only and main reason why i want to do the 4 bolt conversion

[DSM-ZERO]

Originally Posted by Locke

McPherson struts provide a kingpin and mounting point for the wheel. 2g DSM's use a multi-link suspension to provide a kingpin line, and mount the wheel, with standard struts.

Any vehicle with upper control arms, does not use McPherson struts.

The upper stock strut tower mounting point will not change. Nor will any of the lower mounting points.
The upper
control arms will be fabricated and the lower wishbone will be also. As far as the spindle the shop might just modify the stock one OR "probley what they will do" use a civic spindle

[Locke]

Oh, sorry, I am not arguing with you, your choice of Honda suspension, or how it will attach.

I was just pointing-out/correcting a misnomer that I see frequently. Submitting information to the community, thats all.

I am paying attention to this thread, I am particularly curious how your crazy suspension setup will come along. Do you have a time line for the car, as a whole?

[DSM-ZERO]

no its cool im not mad or anything
everything you said is true....

I know it sounds crazy, outlandish, stupid, retarded.....but the civic/integra suspension conversion...IMO will put this car on the map and will be eaiser to tune the suspension. how it acts and how it is set up too will be eaiser also. PLUS i alredy have the coil over for the civic with the custom rates.....so theres no turning back now muhahahahah

yes i do have a time line the end of july before i get home from my deployment

[Blitzeclips]

IF you REALLY think you're going to hit 9's and/or 10's.

You REALLY should consider swapping to an automatic transmission. Seriously.

[XMasta19]

meh...just let the thread die for now, and he can make a new one when the time as come for him to strut his stuff or admit failure

[Icepapa5]

Originally Posted by Blitzeclips

IF you REALLY think you're going to hit 9's and/or 10's.

You REALLY should consider swapping to an automatic transmission. Seriously.

Yeah that would be a good idea. Alot of drag cars use heavy duty automatic transmissons to aid the the SPEED process. I think IPTtransmissons specailize in race transmission. I think that they are a shop listed on dsmtuner. Good luck on the 700 hp. I support you. Why should the 4G63 get all the damn hight horsepower numbers! Go 420a ftw!!!!!!

[blackifre22]

Originally Posted by DSM-ZERO

then what dose the backspacing have to be at
....you let me know because.....EVERYONE i ask this too seems to never know the answer ......but they all seem to know that 13's will fit....
and were can i find a set of 13inch drag rims that have our bolt pattern. Because every 13 i see only come in a 4x100 or 110 bolt pattern

That is the only and main reason why i want to do the 4 bolt conversion

bogarts make ones that fit. not sure on spacing as they had spacers. which i forget which they were. i dont remember i havent worried about it since im running 26s on 15s now

[awddynamite]

Originally Posted by Blitzeclips

IF you REALLY think you're going to hit 9's and/or 10's.

You REALLY should consider swapping to an automatic transmission. Seriously.

automatic is #1 boring (trust me on this one) and #2 ghay, but to be consistent is a good thing.
let the man go 9s like im planning with alot less work than that maniac, you will all see me and dsmzero will have one thing in common and that IS WE WILL BE CHANGING TRANNIES IN BETWEEN RUNS OR EVERY OTHER RUN, i know we will because trannies are lasting me about one to track visits and beating on the street equaling about two weeks at only 443whp. i wonder how quick these GLASS TRANNIES will go once im making 600+, maybe i should have a long talk to shep and get him to take a long look into making these trannies a little more stonger, i know these trannies have alot in common with srt4 trannies and there are companies that do srt4 trannies so maybe that is a good starting point.

[Locke]

A company will never consider R&D on a new project unless they think there is a profitable market for it. If enough of us (and the Neon guys) bother certain companies enough, they will be more likely to look into developing something for us.

[bullettdsm]

Originally Posted by Locke

A company will never consider R&D on a new project unless they think there is a profitable market for it. If enough of us (and the Neon guys) bother certain companies enough, they will be more likely to look into developing something for us.

Yeah, the problem with that is that the trannies hold up so nice under 443 . Even the Neon guys have little problems with the trannies themselves. Certainly a curiosity about the SRT tranny (though I have done 0 research on them). It was obviously made to put up with more power.

MB

[DSM-ZERO]

I wonder if a SRT-4 tranny will work with an adaptor plate?????

What goes wrong with our trannies .....What are you braking??
Let me know so maybe i can figure something out.

[VelocitàPaola]

Originally Posted by DSM-ZERO

I wonder if a SRT-4 tranny will work with an adaptor plate?????

I'm almost positive that it won't. I don't know about the input shaft spline count or anything, but that aside, it does use an equal length half-shaft setup, which indicates to me that it's oriented drastically different in relation to the block than in our cars.

Do some research though... you might find otherwise.

[Blitzeclips]

Originally Posted by awddynamite

automatic is #1 boring (trust me on this one) and #2 ghay, but to be consistent is a good thing.
let the man go 9s .

Yes consistency is key at that level. The guy has never driven a fast FWD car before. He's doing a huge ass build-up with a high HP car and claiming 9's and 10's before he's even driven a car wtih 300-400 HP. It's not like a video game where you hook up the car and shoot down the track with a button. It's going to take ALOT of driving experience and skill to get there. ALOT.

Unless he's had years of racing imports, FOR HIM I would definately recommend a automatic transmission. I'm surprised no one has mentioned this before.

While you guys swap trannies every week or two, whynot take the time to find someone whom can rebuild with stronger pinions, and withstand the long term, high powered abuse for the racing season. If you ask me, BOTH of you will be changing the tranny AND motor every other week. Maybe not now, but once you reach those 1/4 times on a regular basis; it's inevitable.

[DSM-ZERO]

^^^^^^^ if your scared say your scared

And i have been racing for a long time and have alot of passes under my belt ....BUT yes i have never gone 9's or 10's ..........but i have drivrn my friens integra to and 11.8 and after that i was hooked and wanted to do such a bad ass build up.

YES once you start making high hp trannies and motors need to be rebuilt more often but that is just the nature of the beast

[DSM-ZERO]

Originally Posted by awddynamite

automatic is #1 boring (trust me on this one) and #2 ghay, but to be consistent is a good thing.
let the man go 9s like im planning with alot less work than that maniac, you will all see me and dsmzero will have one thing in common and that IS WE WILL BE CHANGING TRANNIES IN BETWEEN RUNS OR EVERY OTHER RUN, i know we will because trannies are lasting me about one to track visits and beating on the street equaling about two weeks at only 443whp. i wonder how quick these GLASS TRANNIES will go once im making 600+, maybe i should have a long talk to shep and get him to take a long look into making these trannies a little more stonger, i know these trannies have alot in common with srt4 trannies and there are companies that do srt4 trannies so maybe that is a good starting point.

If your having problems with trannies braking...................

I wonder why dose HRC claim how stought the whole drive train is and how they have countless passes on there 420a with out any problems.......I have also asked HRC about how goos the tranny will hold up to high hp and they told me "just fine no problem , just get a clutch and maybe axles and call it a day"

but if you are having these problems...then how true can that be?

[Blitzeclips]

Originally Posted by DSM-ZERO

^^^^^^^ if your scared say your scared

What are you talking about? These cars aren't my life. They're a hobby. If I could do a build with the money you have I wouldn't. I race motocross with 11 sponsors behind me. This is a thing I do on the side. My bikes are #1. My car is #2.

Originally Posted by DSM-ZERO

YES once you start making high hp trannies and motors need to be rebuilt more often but that is just the nature of the beast

I know. If I recall correctly I told you that when you asked about the 70mm throttle body. I actually wanted to give you an early heads up. 75 or 80mm TB

Are you doing any of the work(yourself) to this car?

[DSM-ZERO]

no i havent done any of the work to the race car ....i left that to the profesionals at the shop