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Old 06-17-2005, 03:45 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #211 (permalink)
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I have a 90 oil cooler on my n/t 7bolt

But I also have a 90 turbo ecu

Drive-shafts and spindles are the same. It's the spline count on the input shaft that differs.
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Old 06-18-2005, 12:08 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #212 (permalink)
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About the n/t trannies. What more proof do you need?http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/show...73#post1562073
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Old 06-20-2005, 12:16 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #213 (permalink)
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Most people say ya that can happen to any tranny. Well the point is that the turbo tranny usually goes out because of hard launches, not just hard pulls in 3rd gear. Ticking time bomb.
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Old 08-02-2005, 12:22 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #214 (permalink)
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About the injector resistor pack, what is it's main purpose? What does it do?
My future setup is going to have 650cc injectors and I will have s-afc2, so do I still need it?

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Some injectors are high resistance (non-turbo injectors) and some injectors are low resistance (turbo injectors). Unless you use the resistor pack or some type of resistor the Low resistance injectors will be getting to much resistance and then, well you can figure the rest out. Just you have to have it, or some type of resister to lower the resistance to the injectors.

I hope that didn't confuse you.
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Old 08-02-2005, 10:20 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #216 (permalink)
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I was told before that you could buy high impedance injectors but they are harder to come by for some reason. I did the siring in of my injector resistor pack and its not hard at all. Only 5 wires if im not mistaken. Good luck
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Old 08-03-2005, 10:48 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #217 (permalink)
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About the n/t trannies. What more proof do you need?http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/show...73#post1562073
the tranny i have fits the 225mm flywheel found in the 2g gstd.. i havent had problems yet
..except that the gear ratios seem to be shorter ..but im looking for a 2g gst tranny as a spare tho
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I was told before that you could buy high impedance injectors but they are harder to come by for some reason. I did the siring in of my injector resistor pack and its not hard at all. Only 5 wires if im not mistaken. Good luck

I've never seen high impedance injectors for our cars that were any bigger than 550's, and I believe they were mighty salty as well.

Resistor pack is 5 wires only. 1 for a 12v source, the others go one to each injector .


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Old 11-15-2005, 09:57 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #219 (permalink)
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Hey guys i have no way to get a turbo junk car around here there are about 50 nt but nothing other than that.

My question is does anyone know the actual id number for the pinouts to the ecu?I tried talking to my dealer but they are as worthless as they come and i dont have a way to back the terminal out with out damaging something.i noticed another person asking about this but he was never answered,any help would be great this is the last thing i have until i get her running.thanks guys

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serious problems

hey guys i am in my last step i am doing the electrical now but i have found some problems that i havent seen posted here.

i used this site http://www.ecanfix.com/users/mdhamil...ecupinouts.jpg and vfaq for reference but for some reason my car is different.

if you look at there 90 schematics i should have no wires in 9,14,105 and a few others but i have a wire in each of these.

9 white wire
6 blk/grn
14 grn/red
105 black

i have a jan 1990 vin 4a3cs44r4le103773,also all of my schematics at work say nothing about it being like my car.

Do you guys have any suggestions this is all i lack to getting her started.as for the post above i just went to my snap on rep and got the tools to do it i needed them anyway for working on the line.

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Old 11-18-2005, 11:42 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #221 (permalink)
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does anyone have a 90 factory service manual that might help me out in finding what i need to do to fix this?thanks guys

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http://www.vfaq.com/mods/ecu-harness-1G.html
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Old 11-18-2005, 05:06 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #223 (permalink)
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thanks alot but no it wont help as i said that is the one i looked at and another one i have above.for some reason my car is completly backwards but the weried thing is the car ran fine and i know that is how it came stock from the factory because i know the guy who owned it before me.thanks alot though

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Old 11-18-2005, 05:18 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #224 (permalink)
 

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So is yours more like the 1991 or the 1990. My car has a 1992 body, but the little details are from a 1991 since its build date was september of 1991, probably one of the first 1991's to roll off the assembly line.


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Old 11-18-2005, 05:52 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #225 (permalink)
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from the vin id on the door it says january 90,the vin is4a3cs44r4le******,and i have noticed other problems like this in the past with the ecu pins,when i was adding my a/f ratio gauge i was trying to go from the ecu but where everyone on the site and vfaq says the wire should be there was no wire in the location.do you have any clue what i should do?is there a site that will show the asctual break down for each 1g?maybe i can look at each and piece it togeather.

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mavisky, how long did it actually take u to finish your swap bc I also plan to do this swap bc i have a 90 awd talon and i also have a 90 Fwd turbo wrecked and a 90 2.0 nt and my dad wants to swap the turbo motor to the nt car cause he wants to drive it to work and also mod it. thanks.

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mavisky, how long did it actually take u to finish your swap bc I also plan to do this swap bc i have a 90 awd talon and i also have a 90 Fwd turbo wrecked and a 90 2.0 nt and my dad wants to swap the turbo motor to the nt car cause he wants to drive it to work and also mod it. thanks.
When I first did the swap it took me the better part of a month as it was one of the first cars to ever undergo the swap from what I'd seen on the internet. I could do it now in a weekend with an engine hoist and the right tools. Assuming you had all the parts there and ready to go of course.


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i guess im going to have to just get a turbo dash harness,since i already have thye dash out it should be easy anyway.i was wondering if i will have to convert anything to make this work or will it just plug right in?also when i do this will i have to change the harness in the engine bacy or is it all the same harness?thanks guys

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mavisky do i just need the harness that the mas connection is on?or will i need to get all of the harnesses the two in the engine bay and the one in the dash?also will a turbo dash harness work with my gauges?

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In all honesty guys, you don't need to convert to the turbo MAF. It's the same as the n/t MAF minus a wire for the FAKE boost gage. Use the n/t cluster, n/t MAF and a real boost gage.

Also, the only real wiring you need to do is the knock sensor and injector resistor pack. I have simplified the whole swap to an art. I've done it 7 times and helped out more. You boys need to trust me.
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You've been using the nt maf Tim? I never tried it.

Also I don't see why you're swapping out the dash wiring harness, hell I'm still running the nt cluster in my car.


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You've been using the nt maf Tim? I never tried it.

Also I don't see why you're swapping out the dash wiring harness, hell I'm still running the nt cluster in my car.
I also use the n/t cluster. I even got a bunch of my turbo buddies to do so as well because of the larger tach.

Yeah just use the n/t maf. Why not?
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anyone know if the axle ratios are the same on a galant gsx as they are on a gvr4? i'm doing a swap and it just occured to me to ask this.


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anyone know if the axle ratios are the same on a galant gsx as they are on a gvr4? i'm doing a swap and it just occured to me to ask this.
Yes, they are different. The GGSX has a oddball 2.8 rear diff and different final drive in the trans. If you're installing a DSM or GVR4 trans, then you need to change the rear diff.

BTW, if you do change the trans and rear diff out, I'd be interested in purchasing them.

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In all honesty guys, you don't need to convert to the turbo MAF. It's the same as the n/t MAF minus a wire for the FAKE boost gage. Use the n/t cluster, n/t MAF and a real boost gage.

Also, the only real wiring you need to do is the knock sensor and injector resistor pack. I have simplified the whole swap to an art. I've done it 7 times and helped out more. You boys need to trust me.
yep trust him.. on my 2g 4g63nt i used the same maf and i didnt wire in a resistor pack,,i just used high impedance Rx7 injectors (490s)

tuning with a safc and a WBo2

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Yes, they are different. The GGSX has a oddball 2.8 rear diff and different final drive in the trans. If you're installing a DSM or GVR4 trans, then you need to change the rear diff.

BTW, if you do change the trans and rear diff out, I'd be interested in purchasing them.
what if i just keep the GGSX trans on the turbo motor?


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what if i just keep the GGSX trans on the turbo motor?
You'll need a NT flywheel and clutch. Also, depends on how much power you intend to put through it. It's built like a F5M22,31 with straight roller bearings. Larger potential to fail.

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oh i see. i'll just swap rear ends then too while i;m at it. thanks!


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hey guys i finally got everything straitened out and got her starte today sounds great(well from what i could hear without a dp on it)but i forgot to do one thing the resistor pack.i have one question about that is there more then one resistor pack for our cars?the reason i ask is the one i bought off here has 5 wires 4 black and one white but i noticed a few people on here mentioning red wires.did i get the wrong thing or is mi8ne just a different year model?it looks like a resistor pack and i figure the white is the feed wire but i wanted to ask you guys to make sure.thanks alot.

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