The 1g all motor alternative! - Page 4

na90dsm · 05-15-2005, 06:17 PM

man i havent been on in a while.

anyways my project got aborted for now, i got a project thats gonna give me abotu 10g's to mess with when i finish it. anyways im gonan be doin my project . only thing you have to watch for is a few small details. no piston interfereance(spelling), cant go to big with the runner sizes on intake mani or ports on head or you will lose power, and oyu have to watch cause 11:0:1 is safest compression ratio you can run on street

if you gusy have any questions email me cause im nto on here a lot lately so i can get loot for another dsm

tqnutt420@msn.com

ill be glad to answer any questions in any amoutn of detail you wish

na90dsm · 09-12-2005, 07:59 PM

THREAD RESURECTION BITCHES

na90dsm · 09-12-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by anubis

this is a long post, but i'm looking for some accurate, solid information and advice.

i've been on the forums for quite some time during the past few days trying to soak up as much information as possible about this topic. i have decided that i want to do something like this with my non-turbo laser. i haven't found anything about this except on this forum. i tried posting in a forum talking about stroking with a turbo and didn't get much help. so i'm reposting here because i think it would be more appreciated by my non-turbocharged peers.

for now, i am SERIOUSLY considering doing this. i believe i have most of the supporting mods or will have them soon and my engine is out of the car, in pieces, and ready to be built.

let me begin with my parts list.

what i have:
k&n filter, hacked maf, solid intake pipe
ngk irridium plugs, 10mm wires
full 2.5" exhaust system with header and cat eliminated
underdriven pulleys and aluminum crank pulley
adjustable cam gears
turbo cams

what's on the way:
stage 1 port/polish head
balance shaft eliminator kit
ported intake
want to port the header to match the new port job

what i will get:
stock turbo injectors (i believe i need a resistor pack from the turbo too)
stock turbo fuel pump
fuel pressure regulator
high flow fuel rail
safc2 and pocketlogger stuff

what i need to stroke:
6bolt crank
some block work
pistons
? ? ? ? ?

i don't want to do a bottom end swap. i'm familiar with the 4g63 engine and have all ready spent a lot of money on parts for it. now for the questions:
what else would i need for the stroker kit?
what other supporting modifications would i need to do to make this work if any besides those listed?
which crank should i get?
what is a recommended compression ratio?
what pistons should i get (with CR in mind)?
will my ecu suffice?

keep in mind, i do not have any plans to turbo charge this car and do not want to, and cost is a factor in this project. i welcome and appreciate any answers, suggestions, and advice. if you have constructive criticism or civilized discouragement, i will welcome that too.

thanks in advance.

pm me about this or my post will be 4 times as long

na90dsm · 10-16-2005, 10:15 PM

can we keep this one goin??

the most useful n/a thread on tuners. sux man i havent been on herein 5 months

anubis · 10-16-2005, 11:59 PM

keep what going? the thread or the project? what do you want me to pm you about? i gave up on that project a while ago. i have no interest right now as i don't have the time or money to pursue it any further. please send me that long ass pm that you've been talking about for a while now. i allready said that i wanted to read it. i still fancy the idea of a monster na4g63.

na90dsm · 10-17-2005, 01:50 PM

i had same problem, no cash to build it and bad luck

Zero Bar · 02-06-2006, 03:59 PM

I'm now thinking about doing this as well. I have to do a timing belt soon so I'm thinking I'll likely have the balance shafts removed and at least a new crank pulley put on. Is the crank pulley the same for the N/T as the turbo? I hope because nobody lists one for the n/t. Also are the valves in the n/t the same as the turbo? If so it'll be easy to get a set. Also where do I find that intake pipe? I've been looking around for a while and can't find one.
This build is a serious possibility for me as I'll have around a $5k budget to work with this summer. A built n/a motor would bode well for autox as I won't have turbo lag and the heating issues like before. I'm going to contact Shep Racing to see if they would do some of this work, any suggestions or input is most welcome.

Megags · 02-07-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Bar

I'm now thinking about doing this as well. I have to do a timing belt soon so I'm thinking I'll likely have the balance shafts removed and at least a new crank pulley put on. Is the crank pulley the same for the N/T as the turbo? I hope because nobody lists one for the n/t. Also are the valves in the n/t the same as the turbo? If so it'll be easy to get a set. Also where do I find that intake pipe? I've been looking around for a while and can't find one.
This build is a serious possibility for me as I'll have around a $5k budget to work with this summer. A built n/a motor would bode well for autox as I won't have turbo lag and the heating issues like before. I'm going to contact Shep Racing to see if they would do some of this work, any suggestions or input is most welcome.

This car is one of the worst choices to auto-x with. This thread is also filled with a lot of incomplete info or complete misinformation so be careful. Call up RRE. Talk to a pro.

I'm not a hater, just realistic.

Zero Bar · 02-07-2006, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Megags

This car is one of the worst choices to auto-x with. This thread is also filled with a lot of incomplete info or complete misinformation so be careful. Call up RRE. Talk to a pro.

I'm not a hater, just realistic.

I'll disagree with that. It may not be the best choice to autox with but with the right mods these cars can handle well, I know I'm not going to beat up M3's at it but I can have a lot of fun and be competitive on a regional level. Greg Collier is a perfect example of how well these cars can do when done right.
I'm not taking all the info in here to heart, I'll find out for sure about different parts. I'll be talking with Shepherd about the motor and have planned on talking to RRE and others about the chassis. Good looking out though.

underradar92 · 02-11-2006, 10:34 AM

This may seem dumb, but has anyone ever tried to use an awd car, toss the turbo, & make a BRUTALLY hard launching bottle-rocket? Seems like a fun drag car project. Maybe a 4g64 block, 4g63 head,& tons of nitrous?

EagleTalon1991 · 02-11-2006, 02:35 PM

its possible i almost attempted making my nt fwd a awd. All you need is a transfer case the axle from the transfer case, a awd tranny adn all the supsension what nots in the back. Sounds big ### it is but its possible.

Jeff

underradar92 · 02-11-2006, 04:11 PM

Or one could get an awd car w/trashed turbo engine and start there... I believe an n/t engine will fit an awd bellhousing.

EagleTalon1991 · 02-11-2006, 08:03 PM

If i remember right there was some modding needed to support the bellhousing of the awd turbo tranny because of the bigger size of it. Not quite sure just thought i remember reading it somewhere.

Jeff

Zero Bar · 02-11-2006, 10:04 PM

That would be nice for autox, a n/a awd. Build a 2.3 n/a motor and focus on torque and throttle response.

underradar92 · 02-12-2006, 12:13 AM

hmmmm, that would be fun too. JETTING off corners on torque.

Zero Bar · 02-12-2006, 08:06 AM

It's what I'm contemplating. Either a 2.3 stroker or a 9000rpm screamer, I'm thinking a stroker would bode better for the autox I do. I will be moving into road racing in the next couple years and a turbo would be nice, but I see plenty of cars out there with stock engines doing just fine. I still plan to autox so I may just do the stroker as that will give me good power for all the racing I do.

EagleTalon1991 · 02-12-2006, 08:34 AM

This might be a dumb question but what is autox?

anubis · 02-12-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by underradar92

Or one could get an awd car w/trashed turbo engine and start there... I believe an n/t engine will fit an awd bellhousing.

yes, that's a much better way to go about it. you can bolt any 6-bolt 4g63 to any 6-blot 4g63 tranny.

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Originally Posted by Zero Bar

It's what I'm contemplating. Either a 2.3 stroker or a 9000rpm screamer, I'm thinking a stroker would bode better for the autox I do. I will be moving into road racing in the next couple years and a turbo would be nice, but I see plenty of cars out there with stock engines doing just fine. I still plan to autox so I may just do the stroker as that will give me good power for all the racing I do.

another option is to slap your dohc head onto one of the "big block" engines (g4cs, 4g64). it's just as good as stroking the 4g63. if you're after high rpm's, destroke the hybrid engine with a 2.0 crank. slowboy offers destroked engine packages.

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Originally Posted by EagleTalon1991

This might be a dumb question but what is autox?

it's auto cross. check this out: http://www.sfrscca.com/solo2/faq/auto.htm

Zero Bar · 02-12-2006, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleTalon1991

This might be a dumb question but what is autox?

Autocross or Solo II is basically you against the clock on a cone course. There's many events each year and the track is different everytime. You can race any car from stock to a full race car as long as it runs, doesn't leak, and is generally safe. All you need is the driver, car, and a helmet(they have loaners) and youre ready to go.

EagleTalon1991 · 02-12-2006, 01:15 PM

Sweet that sounds tight. To bad my local track is a hour and half away.

underradar92 · 02-12-2006, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleTalon1991

Sweet that sounds tight. To bad my local track is a hour and half away.

No track is needed. Usually courses are set up in parking lots.

I guess the reason I like the turbo is more for practical (octane=boost) reasons. My car is a full time summer driver (a/c STAYS) and track day toy. I really like this n/t concept though.