anyways my project got aborted for now, i got a project thats gonna give me abotu 10g's to mess with when i finish it. anyways im gonan be doin my project . only thing you have to watch for is a few small details. no piston interfereance(spelling), cant go to big with the runner sizes on intake mani or ports on head or you will lose power, and oyu have to watch cause 11:0:1 is safest compression ratio you can run on street
if you gusy have any questions email me cause im nto on here a lot lately so i can get loot for another dsm
this is a long post, but i'm looking for some accurate, solid information and advice.
i've been on the forums for quite some time during the past few days trying to soak up as much information as possible about this topic. i have decided that i want to do something like this with my non-turbo laser. i haven't found anything about this except on this forum. i tried posting in a forum talking about stroking with a turbo and didn't get much help. so i'm reposting here because i think it would be more appreciated by my non-turbocharged peers.
for now, i am SERIOUSLY considering doing this. i believe i have most of the supporting mods or will have them soon and my engine is out of the car, in pieces, and ready to be built.
let me begin with my parts list.
what i have:
k&n filter, hacked maf, solid intake pipe
ngk irridium plugs, 10mm wires
full 2.5" exhaust system with header and cat eliminated
underdriven pulleys and aluminum crank pulley
adjustable cam gears
turbo cams
what's on the way:
stage 1 port/polish head
balance shaft eliminator kit
ported intake
want to port the header to match the new port job
what i will get:
stock turbo injectors (i believe i need a resistor pack from the turbo too)
stock turbo fuel pump
fuel pressure regulator
high flow fuel rail
safc2 and pocketlogger stuff
what i need to stroke:
6bolt crank
some block work
pistons
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i don't want to do a bottom end swap. i'm familiar with the 4g63 engine and have all ready spent a lot of money on parts for it. now for the questions:
what else would i need for the stroker kit?
what other supporting modifications would i need to do to make this work if any besides those listed?
which crank should i get?
what is a recommended compression ratio?
what pistons should i get (with CR in mind)?
will my ecu suffice?
keep in mind, i do not have any plans to turbo charge this car and do not want to, and cost is a factor in this project. i welcome and appreciate any answers, suggestions, and advice. if you have constructive criticism or civilized discouragement, i will welcome that too.
thanks in advance.
pm me about this or my post will be 4 times as long
keep what going? the thread or the project? what do you want me to pm you about? i gave up on that project a while ago. i have no interest right now as i don't have the time or money to pursue it any further. please send me that long ass pm that you've been talking about for a while now. i allready said that i wanted to read it. i still fancy the idea of a monster na4g63.
I'm now thinking about doing this as well. I have to do a timing belt soon so I'm thinking I'll likely have the balance shafts removed and at least a new crank pulley put on. Is the crank pulley the same for the N/T as the turbo? I hope because nobody lists one for the n/t. Also are the valves in the n/t the same as the turbo? If so it'll be easy to get a set. Also where do I find that intake pipe? I've been looking around for a while and can't find one.
This build is a serious possibility for me as I'll have around a $5k budget to work with this summer. A built n/a motor would bode well for autox as I won't have turbo lag and the heating issues like before. I'm going to contact Shep Racing to see if they would do some of this work, any suggestions or input is most welcome.
I'm now thinking about doing this as well. I have to do a timing belt soon so I'm thinking I'll likely have the balance shafts removed and at least a new crank pulley put on. Is the crank pulley the same for the N/T as the turbo? I hope because nobody lists one for the n/t. Also are the valves in the n/t the same as the turbo? If so it'll be easy to get a set. Also where do I find that intake pipe? I've been looking around for a while and can't find one.
This build is a serious possibility for me as I'll have around a $5k budget to work with this summer. A built n/a motor would bode well for autox as I won't have turbo lag and the heating issues like before. I'm going to contact Shep Racing to see if they would do some of this work, any suggestions or input is most welcome.
This car is one of the worst choices to auto-x with. This thread is also filled with a lot of incomplete info or complete misinformation so be careful. Call up RRE. Talk to a pro.
This car is one of the worst choices to auto-x with. This thread is also filled with a lot of incomplete info or complete misinformation so be careful. Call up RRE. Talk to a pro.
I'm not a hater, just realistic.
I'll disagree with that. It may not be the best choice to autox with but with the right mods these cars can handle well, I know I'm not going to beat up M3's at it but I can have a lot of fun and be competitive on a regional level. Greg Collier is a perfect example of how well these cars can do when done right.
I'm not taking all the info in here to heart, I'll find out for sure about different parts. I'll be talking with Shepherd about the motor and have planned on talking to RRE and others about the chassis. Good looking out though.
This may seem dumb, but has anyone ever tried to use an awd car, toss the turbo, & make a BRUTALLY hard launching bottle-rocket? Seems like a fun drag car project. Maybe a 4g64 block, 4g63 head,& tons of nitrous?
its possible i almost attempted making my nt fwd a awd. All you need is a transfer case the axle from the transfer case, a awd tranny adn all the supsension what nots in the back. Sounds big ### it is but its possible.
If i remember right there was some modding needed to support the bellhousing of the awd turbo tranny because of the bigger size of it. Not quite sure just thought i remember reading it somewhere.
It's what I'm contemplating. Either a 2.3 stroker or a 9000rpm screamer, I'm thinking a stroker would bode better for the autox I do. I will be moving into road racing in the next couple years and a turbo would be nice, but I see plenty of cars out there with stock engines doing just fine. I still plan to autox so I may just do the stroker as that will give me good power for all the racing I do.
Or one could get an awd car w/trashed turbo engine and start there... I believe an n/t engine will fit an awd bellhousing.
yes, that's a much better way to go about it. you can bolt any 6-bolt 4g63 to any 6-blot 4g63 tranny.
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Originally Posted by Zero Bar
It's what I'm contemplating. Either a 2.3 stroker or a 9000rpm screamer, I'm thinking a stroker would bode better for the autox I do. I will be moving into road racing in the next couple years and a turbo would be nice, but I see plenty of cars out there with stock engines doing just fine. I still plan to autox so I may just do the stroker as that will give me good power for all the racing I do.
another option is to slap your dohc head onto one of the "big block" engines (g4cs, 4g64). it's just as good as stroking the 4g63. if you're after high rpm's, destroke the hybrid engine with a 2.0 crank. slowboy offers destroked engine packages.
Autocross or Solo II is basically you against the clock on a cone course. There's many events each year and the track is different everytime. You can race any car from stock to a full race car as long as it runs, doesn't leak, and is generally safe. All you need is the driver, car, and a helmet(they have loaners) and youre ready to go.
Sweet that sounds tight. To bad my local track is a hour and half away.
No track is needed. Usually courses are set up in parking lots. I guess the reason I like the turbo is more for practical (octane=boost) reasons. My car is a full time summer driver (a/c STAYS) and track day toy. I really like this n/t concept though.
Exactly, our autox is held at a local minor league baseball field's parking lot. I'm sure there's a region of Scca near you up there in Traverse. go to www.scc.org youll be able to look up your local region.
Don't worry about not having a turbo car either, the car I'm in now is much faster at autox than my turbo Laser was and has over 100 hp less.
its possible i almost attempted making my nt fwd a awd. All you need is a transfer case the axle from the transfer case, a awd tranny adn all the supsension what nots in the back. Sounds big ### it is but its possible.
Jeff
Yep you would need all that along with different gas tank. The lip where the spare tire in the back is different. FWD the spare dips downard. AWD the spare doesnt go into a lip in the trunk. I looked at an AWD up on a lift and tempted the idea of FWD converted to AWD. its not worth all the work. You would also have to change the exhaust due to the difference in bends. By that time you could purchase a whole AWD shell and pay less for an engine to drop in it. I converted my N/T to turbo and invest a great deal of money $$$$ Don't get me wrong it was loads of fun, but for the price i paid i could have bought an awd and put mods into that with the extra cash.
The N/T transmission sucks and can't hold any power? Shhhh..... dont let my car hear you... I'm putting about 300 hp (turbocharged it) through mine and it has no more problems than my cousins FWD turbo that's making less power than my car. I have yet to see any proof that the turbo transmission is any more reliable than the NT (at least, at the max power levels that a FWD street car usually makes 300-350hp... the hell bent 400-500hp drag cars dont count, they blow all the transmissions). The only downside of the NT box is that it doesnt have the best gear ratios for a turbo motor, they are a little too short. Wider ratios are better for the broad torque curve that a turbo provides. The only reason I dont upgrade mine is that I pay $35 for a used NT trans at my local scrapyard, and there are never ever any turbo transmissions there, but always a NT one.
I wouldn't speak so fast. The majority of the Turbo'd N/T guys here have allready replaced the transmission including myself now. And i'll admit that im a baby when driving my car. . .i hardly ever beat on my car so it was a complete shock when i ripped apart gears. heres a few pics to show you what my gear looked like. . .
Your time just hasn't come yet, but be assured that that N/T transmission isn't going to hold out as long as the Turbo Tranny will. I've allready seen the video of Mavisky's blowing third gear, and i've seen the pics of TimG's tranny. The N/T tranny like you said the gear ratio's aren't the best for Turbo apps
The N/T transmission sucks and can't hold any power? Shhhh..... dont let my car hear you... I'm putting about 300 hp (turbocharged it) through mine and it has no more problems than my cousins FWD turbo that's making less power than my car. I have yet to see any proof that the turbo transmission is any more reliable than the NT (at least, at the max power levels that a FWD street car usually makes 300-350hp... the hell bent 400-500hp drag cars dont count, they blow all the transmissions). The only downside of the NT box is that it doesnt have the best gear ratios for a turbo motor, they are a little too short. Wider ratios are better for the broad torque curve that a turbo provides. The only reason I dont upgrade mine is that I pay $35 for a used NT trans at my local scrapyard, and there are never ever any turbo transmissions there, but always a NT one.
Hey, you forgot an option for more power!
Supercharging!
(Hey... it was done on a 1g NT.... once...)
What kind of mods do you have done to your car that your saying ## doing 300hp? I had a good amount of mods plus pushing 18.5psi on the 14b and i wasn't doing anywhere near 300hp
i just bought a 1991 eclipse engine that i want to put it into my 1995 talon and i got it without the intake manifold or exhaust manifold and i was told that it was a turbo engine but the mechanics are tellin me that its a nt because it does not have a crank sensor or something like that is there any way i can tell if it is or not????
thanks
dan
If it's a 1g dohc it's going to be hard to tell whether it's turbo or not because the only diff is the internals. You can look up the code on the block, that should tell you. 1g dohc motors don't have crank sensors, they have cam sensors, and so do the n/t's cause mine does.
i just bought a 1991 eclipse engine that i want to put it into my 1995 talon and i got it without the intake manifold or exhaust manifold and i was told that it was a turbo engine but the mechanics are tellin me that its a nt because it does not have a crank sensor or something like that is there any way i can tell if it is or not????
thanks
dan
See if there is a knock sensor on the intake side of the block.
