Battle!...Honda or 2g eclipse

[spyderdrifter]

I for one, am not a fan of Hondas. I have owned one at one time, and it was a decent car on gas. But that was the end of it. It was a 1990 Acura Integra GS, coupe, 5-spd, etc... It sucked on power, and I really never had the amount of fun driving it as I have with the 4 DSMs I've owed. My first DSM was a N/T Talon. I had way more fun driving it than I did the integra, even if the integra was a lot lighter. Since then, I've had 3 turbo DSMs and I'll never have quite the amount of fun driving another car, as I have with these. Sure they may be problematic, and the engines are sensitive to changes, but that's half the fun if you really love them as most of us do. Out of all those 'affordable' tuner cars from the '90s, DSMs were the only ones that the option to be turbo'd and awd from the factory, never had a 4-dr version, and even had a drop top. Not to mention they even look sporty unlike the others from Honda. There's my opinion.

 

[honda_burner]

I for one, am not a fan of Hondas. I have owned one at one time, and it was a decent car on gas. But that was the end of it. It was a 1990 Acura Integra GS, coupe, 5-spd, etc... It sucked on power, and I really never had the amount of fun driving it as I have with the 4 DSMs I've owed. My first DSM was a N/T Talon. I had way more fun driving it than I did the integra, even if the integra was a lot lighter. Since then, I've had 3 turbo DSMs and I'll never have quite the amount of fun driving another car, as I have with these. Sure they may be problematic, and the engines are sensitive to changes, but that's ahlf the fun if you really love them as most of us do. Out of all those 'affordable' tuner cars from the '90s, DSMs were the only ones that the option to be turbo'd and awd from the factory, never had a 4-dr version, and even had a drop top. Not to mention they even look sporty unlike the others from Honda. There's my opinion.

Everything you just said sums everything i love about my car up in a nutshell!

 

[91stocker]

It isn't that expensive to do engine swaps on honda's. A basic mount kit is around 100-150 bucks and most everything else is interchangeable.

Yea but the problem isnt just the custom mounts, the motor themselves run up to $5k, engine and lsd trans. Then the engine harness, axles, tuner. Unless you fell into a donor car for dirt cheap it realistically could run as high $10k for the swap. Theres a massive amount of little details that add up in a hurry too.

Most of the honda sites even list it from 6-10k depending on how "right" you want to do it. It has been a few years since i paid any attention to them though.

I swapped a b series into a crx and that wasnt any fun. The honda guys make the swaps sound so easy. Like its bolt in and go. Far from it haha

 

[spyderdrifter]

Everything you just said sums everything i love about my car up in a nutshell!

AMEN!!!

In addition to what I said earlier, all those DSM inspired demotivational pictures, that most have no doubt seen, do have some truth to them. DSMs weed out the weak. Anyone can build a civic or integra be cause they're so easy to build, cheap to build, and everyones got one so the info is bountiful on how to do it. That's not the case with our DSMs. It takes patience, determination, and a lot of blood, sweat, and tears to have a DSM rise above the others, but it's a much more satisfying feeling in the end, to be able to say you built what most could only dream of building.

 

[l8vr14dsm95]

This is very common conversation and the biggest argument from the past and even now. Dont be against me, im just telling you what people say to me. I live in new haven which is "Honda town". Most people say they prefer Honda because it lighter and take off quicker. They say eclipse is slow because it heavy, bigger motor with low power and etc w.e they say. I don't listen to them because they get me mad once a while. So let have a battle conversation here. I'm only talking about between 91-98 Honda civic vtec or 2g eclipse 420a.

haha i know how you feel, we dont have to many dsmers in new haven the town is full of hondas. if i were you i would stick with the 2g all these honda around town inspire me to different.

 

[phantom_19]

From my racing experience the B16 DOHC vtec Hondas are faster than my 4g63 n/t. I am faster than the SOHC versions though. B18+ engines I am no match however.

 

[91stocker]

From my racing experience the B16 DOHC vtec Hondas are faster than my 4g63 n/t.

Well of course they are going to be. A high compression 185hp motor in a 2700lb car with aggressive gearing vs 160hp in a 3300lb car.

But a stock turbo dsm can make 300whp with only very minor effort. Pair that power with awd and there wont be many hondas that can hang.

The fastest honda i've ever seen in person was at dsm shootout last year . And that ran a 12.8. Theres even a honda club that hangs at the local track occasionally and the fastest of their group runs high 13's, with a handful of turbo hondas running 14's. But i figure its about the same as modded gst's running 14's and 15's.

 

[ofgofg]

Its good to not have to worry about honduhs.

 

[TunaTalon]

Tell me again what the RESOLVED tag means on a thread.

 

[TSIturbo91]

Tell me again what the RESOLVED tag means on a thread.

It means the problem has been fixed or the question has been answered. And it need not be looked at to contribute to because the OP is all set. Also let's people searching know there is an answer to the said problem or question.

 

[mickey]

^ true

 

[MikeSD]

how exactly has this been "resolved"?

 

[spyderdrifter]

I really don't think it has been "resolved". The DSM/honda war will always wage on, but in the end, I still say DSMs are better.

 

[DSMnOOb00]

Lock it up!!

 

[WES_393]

To reply to earlier comments, you cant disregard the k swap just because its newer. The op asked the comparison between an NA honda and the 420a. He never specified which platform or which engine, just NA. And saying a modded 4g63 isn't a 4g63 is pretty far out there.

 

[AK Maniak]

To reply to earlier comments, you cant disregard the k swap just because its newer. The op asked the comparrison between an NA honda and the 420a. He never specified which one. And saying a modded 4g63 isn't a 4g63 is pretty far out there.

Ya but at te same time comparing a swapped Honda kind of throws all stipulations out the window. So an NA Honda vs a boosted 420a? Still a 420a and can be done for about the same price.

 

[WES_393]

Ya but at te same time comparing a swapped Honda kind of throws all stipulations out the window. So an NA Honda vs a boosted 420a? Still a 420a and can be done for about the same price.

I don't see how though. It's not like it's an LS1 swap, it's still a Honda engine. Even if you left the K20 in it's original platform, it would still give a 420a DSM a hard time. The question was NA Honda vs 420a. That means any Honda, regardless of swap, so long as it's naturally aspirated. But even if we stray from engine swaps, the I fear a fairly modded B18 in an Integra would still pull on a 420a. It's just the sad truth.

Even $ for $ you will get more form a Honda than a 420a. NA or boosted. The aftermarket support for Honda's is immense compared to that for the 420a. And parts are often cheaper. Supply and demand is a funny thing.

 

[SPYDERGSTTUNER]

1+! Swap it out!

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In the meantime you should turbo swap your 420A for a 6 Bolt! [/;QUOTE]

Do either one of you guys know what your telling the OP by saying this??? His car is a 420a powered fat neon (no offense) and a 6 or a 7 bolt swap is damn near impossible unless you have some mad Fab,mechanical, and electrical skills. Everyone is talking about Honda guys doing motor swaps but think how much easier is for them to do it with certain motors unlike a n/t to turbo on dsms(unless 1g of course). Is like telling a civic owner to swap his b16 for a s2k motor, it just ain't happening.

 

[bryanwheat]

To reply to earlier comments, you cant disregard the k swap just because its newer. The op asked the comparison between an NA honda and the 420a. He never specified which platform or which engine, just NA. And saying a modded 4g63 isn't a 4g63 is pretty far out there.

This is exactly how i feel. The original question was basically asking which is better na to na. That means that with the honda there is any possibility of engine that you can swap in, any of them faster than a n/a 420a. This is 2012, the engines are available to swap in, it isn't 1997 any more. Some people are trying to answer the question all while putting their restrictions and theory on it. A civic with even a basic b18 ls swap (500-800 bucks for engine and transmission) will wax every n/a 420a out there. It's more about looks at this point, if you like the look of a 2g eclipse than you will like the 2g, if you like the look of the honda than you will want a honda. One isn't better than the other because it is a Mitsubishi, or because it is a honda. The reason that most of these honda's have such a bad name is because all your ricers with fart can's on d15's, park benches on the trunk, nasty body kits, tow hooks, stickers and all that. It has nothing to do with the car itself or the engines.

 

[Dsmkauai]

Supply and demand for Hondas = eBay . We are swarmed with Hondus here as well and it's pretty funny to see and here all the crap they go thru and do just to pull 12's, but everyone's gotta have some bad era's in there life . Dsm for life here only honda I got is my generator and that's the way it will stay. The fastest Honda on Kauai ran 11.6ish with nos and 13.5ish without , and I think 2-3 passes in on the nos they blew up.

 

[bryanwheat]

Supply and demand for Hondas = eBay . We are swarmed with Hondus here as well and it's pretty funny to see and here all the crap they go thru and do just to pull 12's, but everyone's gotta have some bad era's in there life . Dsm for life here only honda I got is my generator and that's the way it will stay. The fastest Honda on Kauai ran 11.6ish with nos and 13.5ish without , and I think 2-3 passes in on the nos they blew up.

Do you realize that guys have ran 9's and 10's on all motor honda's?

 

[AK Maniak]

Yes Hondas have potential. But who really cares if they are better than a 420a. It's not like a 420a is a DSM anyways.

 

[DSM1G90]

..a slightly modified Dodge NEON motor for the 2G NT Eclipse .. is all you really have in stock form.

A motor that was never designed to anything else but get the vehicle down the road in an orderly fashion.

Honda motors have always had some "race car" instinct built into them - why they can be a lot more potent when the right applications were added.

Even the little mid 70's Civics with their 1.2L SOHC motors ... and a stock two stage carb sitting on top of the intake manifold.

When you manually activated that 2nd stage of that carb at a certain RPM or torque range, that little motor suddenly woke up real bad.

 

[4g63tc]

There was a Local all motor K20 civic hatch, no Nos, 11 second car, and yes it was daily driven.
IN March 2012, at Sacramento raceway.
Turbo heads up
9.930 Civic @ 151 mph
10.61 Evo @ 141.8 mph

Heads Up all motor
11.415 Civic @121.22
11.661 Civic @115.15

out of the top 8 first and second finishes 6 were from the honda camp, the other two? one was an evo, and the other a galant.

so to dismiss Hondas is ridiculous.

And as for Aftermarket support, when's the last time you were able to buy adjustable, upper and lower control arms from reputable manufacturers for less than 300 bucks? and find any Oem part on Amazon.

Dsm's are a wonderful Platform but they're getting dated, they're just not relevant anymore. That's what aftermarket support looks for. Hondas are everywhere. there are Morons in every car group just like fanboys no getting around it.

 

[Ozone302]

Yeah I'd rather have a Honda. And I HATE Hondas. I just think a 420a is retarded personally unless you want a beater car. Hondas can be quick fairly easily. I knew a guy with a crappy looking, maybe mid 90's, 4 door civic with an h22. That thing was quick! It ran high 12's all day and it was a stock motor with stock exhaust. It was an awesome sleeper. My friend has a 5 speed b18b non vtec integra. It's pretty decent for what it is. He dynoed at 156whp and ran a 15.4 in the quarter mile which really isn't that bad considering it's stock with just a header, catback, and a cold air intake.