What more do I need?

[blak92awd]

I am turning toward the autox scene now and I have a fresh 1g awd to start on. So far I have the following done:
Ksport Coilovers
Front Bearings
All front suspension Bushings
Inner and outer endlinks
Stabilizer links
Crossdrilled and slotted rotors
New Calipers and pads

what more should i do while im down there? like sway bars...etc. also what choice of wheel and tire combo should i get as well? thanks for any input.

 

[mavisky]

Going to want to watch your classing as you're already moving up pretty quickly with the mods you've got done.

 

[blak92awd]

what do you mean by that?

 

[mavisky]

Well with the something as simple as the bushings you've already taken yourself out of Stock classes (of course the coilovers killed that too). I'm just saying watch what mods you do to make sure you don't end up adding mods that will put you in a very quick class with a car that's nowhere near competitive as it can get very frustrating at times.

 

[absolute_DSM]

If you just replaced following with stock parts then you would be ok -
"Front Bearings
All front suspension Bushings
Inner and outer endlinks
Stabilizer links
New Calipers and pads "

But throwing your fancy pretty rotors and some nice Ksports really moved you up. Check out SCCA.org for the classing (AKA who you compete against) If youre going to race only for fun, then dont worry about it, but if you want to be competitive then plan before you mod.

 

[blak92awd]

all of the parts are oem except for the coilovers. the rotors are even stock size. i want to do it just for fun, but eventually be competitive. Im not going to jump in there and expect to get it on the first try.

 

[Zero Bar]

^Unfortunately even though they're stock size brakes they make a difference, right now your at least going to be in "E Street Prepared" which is a class that allows R compound tires. I don't know if the brakes are "Street touring" legal so you'd likely be in ESP.

Modifying anything like your blow-off valve, intercooler piping, or a MBC and your quickly in "Street Modified" which allows for some serious modifications and can have some seriously fast cars in it though it's a popular class for our cars.

Get to know the rules before you modify anything else so you don't end up in a class that you don't want to be in because if you try to be competitive and end up in a high class it could easily exceed your budget to be competitive and you likely won't have any fun, seen it happen a lot!!

 

[blak92awd]

so for now i should keep everything stock until i get better or can i just practice with everything on and then race competitively?

 

[TKW#13]

^Just like we talked about on another thread SEAT TIME is what you need. After you drive your on a closed course and you can push it, you can start to feel what you are lacking. You need to see what tires you can run for what class you are aiming for, because tires are going to make a huge difference.

 

[talonTSIDriver]

Modifying anything like your blow-off valve, intercooler piping, or a MBC and your quickly in "Street Modified" which allows for some serious modifications and can have some seriously fast cars in it though it's a popular class for our cars.

New in 2008, you are allowed to modify boost, however your turbo must remain 100% stock including the wastegate.

The was you sit, you'll end up in ESP, which is not the hardest class. I would stay away from SM if you want to be very competitive. For your first year, I would not even worry about being competitive. Learn the basics, take pointers from the instructors or experienced drivers at the event. Ride along and have other drivers ride along with you.

Remember, Driver makes more difference that all mods put together.

 

[blak92awd]

great advice guys, thanks.

 

[Zero Bar]

I'll make a correction, only the BOV cannot be changed in "SP". I like the allowance for boost now(especially since they went away from only by electronic means), I think it gives us a good shot in ESP with the big bore cars.

 

[talonTSIDriver]

I'll make a correction, only the BOV cannot be changed in "SP". I like the allowance for boost now(especially since they went away from only by electronic means), I think it gives us a good shot in ESP with the big bore cars.

a 1g BOV can be used, correct? As it came off the same model car. Yes it may be a different year, BUT the 1g turbo DSM is in the same class as the 2g turbo DSM's, so to my understanding parts can be interchanged.

 

[kwheeler]

I think he'd be STX legal.
The coilovers, bushings and brake upgrades are all legal for street touring.
As soon as he pulls the emissions equipment he is moved into street prepared.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

blk92awd,
Do as already stated, review the rules and decide which class you want to run in then limit your mods to those legal for it. The rulle book is available here: SCCA Solo2 Rules page

Street Touring should be a reasonable class to start out in. The mods you can do are limited and you must run street tires so it's less expensive to be competitive.
Most of all have fun, don't worry about being competitive at first and get as much seat time as you possibly can.

kwheeler

 

[1LE]

a 1g BOV can be used, correct? As it came off the same model car. Yes it may be a different year, BUT the 1g turbo DSM is in the same class as the 2g turbo DSM's, so to my understanding parts can be interchanged.

Check the rulebook carefully on that. It used to be that parts were only changeable between cars that were on the same line. So for example it would be legal for:

"'90-'99 Eclipse"

in the rulebook, but not for:

"'90-'94 Eclipse
'95-'99 Eclipse"

Also, just want to echo the "don't mod the car until you've got some seat time". Then, go with tires first, they're the biggest single mod other than the driver. Don't do tires right away though. You'll learn quicker starting on street tires...

 

[talonTSIDriver]

This is only in SP where parts can be interchanged from a 1g turbo to a 2g turbo.

Examble, its legal to use a 1g BOV on a 2g in Street Prepared

From the 2008 SCCA Rules:

A vehicle may compete in Street Prepared Category if the
preparation of the vehicle has not exceeded the allowable
modifications of Stock Category, except as specified below.
However, the distinction between different years/models used in
Stock Category does not apply in Street Prepared Category.
Example: Porsche 911 models that are listed on the same line are
considered the same.

 

[Zero Bar]

Yes the BOV can be exchanged as long as the flange isn't modified, that would fall under the update/backdate rule. Putting a 14b on a 2g would be a no-no though as it's a different type, so the update/backdate won't work for everything, and it doesn't apply to "Stock" classes.

 

[talonTSIDriver]

Yes the BOV can be exchanged as long as the flange isn't modified, that would fall under the update/backdate rule. Putting a 14b on a 2g would be a no-no though as it's a different type, so the update/backdate won't work for everything, and it doesn't apply to "Stock" classes.

I was under the belief that as long as both years (1g vs 2g) are in the same class, it would be ok to move parts from one to the other. Maybe I am wrong.

This is what makes me beleave it would be OK to use 1g parts on a 2g:

Example: Porsche 911 models that are listed on the same line are
considered the same.

 

[1LE]

Same class and same line are 2 different things. You can also run into trouble with modifications required to support the changes that you're making...

 

[talonTSIDriver]

Same class and same line are 2 different things. You can also run into trouble with modifications required to support the changes that you're making...

Well the way they list it is:

Eagle Talon Turbo & AWD

So would that make it legal? They dont seperate the years at all.