obx lsd [Merged 5-7] limited slip phantom grip

[jtmcinder]

There is more to r&d than coming up with an idea...it involves testing of your new product as well.

Oh, give me an effing break. Don't try to pretend that R&D and QA are the same damned thing to excuse ripping off the ideas of another company. That's pure BS and the only people who try to sell such stories are those that have already sold their effing soul.

If OBX is ready to do some actual work: I'd say around 30/70. Charles might want it even more extreme but what he really wants is a 30/70 T2 (instead of a 30/70 planetary). Lotsa luck on that one, but if you can get one made, I'll crawl to you office and beg forgiveness.

- Jtoby

 

[Phantomhp]

Dude, you have some serious mood swings.

First, Ill ask you the same thing. If i was to replicate a product and do no testing what so ever would you buy it?? no you wouldnt because the fear of it not working is there.

Dont sit over there and try and tell me that there is no r&D even if your replicating a product.

You still have an idea (to make that product)...you have to research it ( take it apart...see how its made...measurments...materials)....then you have to actually produce the product...then you have to test ( to make sure the thing works).

If you want I can get these dsm lsd's made and do no testing at all...would that make you feel good about it....i am sure the members here would like testing done.

I will do what I can for the members here....honestly the disrespect you keep giving me is unappreciated and by no means am I doing this for you or any appogies. I know what goes on....how obx does alot of their produceing. I didnt start this group buy so jumping on me needs to stop...i am just trying to salvage what was started on a lie.

I am by no means trying to say what OBX does is right or moral but apparantly it works as they have been in business for a long time now. If I can get the same part for half the price and the same warranty....better believe I am going with that one. OBX gets bashed alot for bringing great parts to customers at a low price....but if they up the price then people would cry about that as well.

 

[jtmcinder]

If i was to replicate a product and do no testing what so ever would you buy it?? no you wouldnt because the fear of it not working is there.

You missed my deeper point, which isn't that surprising since you still seem to have R&D and QA confounded.

Even if you tested it, I wouldn't buy it. I don't buy stuff out of the trunks of cars even if it would save me money. I like the serial numbers to be readable. I am an author. I take the protection of intellectual property seriously. I am also a car-nut. I don't want people to stop developing new automotive toys because they can never make money because some French plant full of Chinese workers with EU work-permits has copied it.

Mood swings??? Let me tell you about my mood swings.

- Jtoby

 

[Phantomhp]

I wont buy everything for my cars from OBX no....but a lot of their parts I would. I am a car nut as well as I have everything from classics, to 4 bangers, v6's and even a v8. I am not just some little kid trying to sell a few parts to get lunch money.

For someone to be such a car nut and treat a new vendor the way you have treated me isn't something I would tolerate on any of my boards. Expecially since you are not exactly the low guy on the food chain here.

I may be a business owner and I tolerate alot but with your lack of respect it's extremely hard to so...

Me and you are done talking now ...

Mike

 

[Phantomhp]

DSM Members who are interested in seeing this happen....

Post up any ideas or comments that you have for this product. Any information is extremely helpful in helping me and OBX determine what types of LSD's would be the best to build.

You can also PM your ideas to me if needed.

Sometime soon I will probably be making a new thread to get a list started to see what type of interest there would be and show OBX about how many LSD's to make once in productions.

Thanks,
Mike

 

[nazthug]

phantom, here's a bit of advice, stop being such a salesguy and just talk openly

I understand you slang obx, nothin wrong with that, but there are some things that you gotta just be open about

I understand there are some designs you cant just make differnt every time, this is basic shit, no need to even try to use that as an excuse

Im talking about OBX literally taking EVERYSINGLE product out there and duplicating it

All this testing BS i keep hearing about...i am VERY sceptical about, dude, pick up that catalog, im sure you have it

Do you really think they test H2 hummer headers for fit and performance? Do you REALLY think they designed and tested a 2.5L boxer turbo header system that they sell? , give me a break, i KNOW they dont

They literaly have THOUSANDS of applications...no way in hell are all those tested, designed by using the actual car, performance tested and fit tested..absolutely not

This again may not be bad because they are COPYING existing products that have been proven....exact replicas....nothing new designed, they simple change just enough to get by legally...we all know this

OBX are a different breed of business people, i still would love to see how that company operates, its one hell of a business, i gotta give it to those guys....they pulled off something HUGE, out of no where

I remember like 5 years ago calling obx and some lady picked up the phone, sounded like in a house, and was callin what sounded like her son or something, just real ghetto....

things must have changed, but with al the applications they have, TRUE RD, design and FIT AND FINISH and performance results would have taken them 50 years to do, AT LEAST

So i dont really want to hear the stories about testing LSD's and having them on test cars and all this stuff, i just cant see it happening, and i feel like im being made a fool off when i hear that

To me its simple...they buy other companies products, they slice them up into millions of pieces, copy it exactly, and sell it...which again is OK, i wouldnt mind buying the product even....just as long as its done right

somethings you just cant copy simply by pulling it apart and having a metal expert go through the materials...some things are just too hard to copy, thats what scares me

them copying an exhaust or intake is one thing, them copying an LSD or intercooler core, or piston design is another

OBX has cast blocks and cranks for sale!!!!!!!!!!!! thats amazing...

I could be totally wrong on my assumptions, but its the only logical explanation I have

 

[nazthug]

DSM Members who are interested in seeing this happen....

Post up any ideas or comments that you have for this product. Any information is extremely helpful in helping me and OBX determine what types of LSD's would be the best to build.


Thanks,
Mike

youre jokinng right??? You couldnt tell them what to build if you owned 49% of the company, that company is probably so complicated to deal with, its a headache


I would still love to get details on the overall company, how they opearte, its pretty impressive to me

But, i dont get what youre saying...their LSD is in the catalog already? So what do you have to help them with, ...i understand 1/2 the shit in the catalog doesnt even exist, but i dont htink they need help

They already bought a quaife for every car available, its just time that they need to duplicate it...we all know this bro....its no secret i dont think

actual RD and testing for all the products they offer would take DECADES, not a few years

 

[Revolution]

QUOTE->[nazthug
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obx lsd - update
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Hey guys, well i talked to obx a few times and it looks like they are scheduled for a release in the end of january

If you didnt know, they make lsd's for acuras and hondas already, been for a while.

I have researched this and they have had all positive feedback so far and everyone that has them, likes them


There is a main guy on there, who is making 536whp and runs 10s and has one, and i just found out he is a local guy to me who we meet up with regularly on the weekends for cruising/racing, i just didnt know he was running one.

He has over 12000 miles on it, 80 passes, on slicks. I spoke with him and so far he has good feedback, he has broken driveshafts and 3 times he broke 3rd gear, but the diff is still chuggin along, so it seems like a good product.

This diff looks identical to the quaife and looks and feels just as beefy. There are dozens of honda guys already running them and no one has had a problem yet, and i have seen this guy at the track a few times and he drives hard.

Launches near redline, on 24.5 slicks off the bottle, on which he makes a bit over 600whp, runs consistently in the 10.7s at over 135mph

Dave at obx says they are looking to have it done at the end of juanuary

I only became interested because i am in a group buy for this lsd for my 99 neon ACR road race car, since they are starting to make them for 95-99 neons as well, and i needed a cheaper alternative to the pricey quaife.

There are over 60 of us in the group buy.

The honda guys get these lsd's for a tad under $400 so this is almost 1/3 the price of the quaife.

Some people question the quality because of the price, so far i have read nothing but good feedback.

You must also remember, quaife USA has to buy lsd's from quaife Europe, so its going through 2 middle men, its like they are not the same company. This is why quaifes for european cars, IN europe are much cheaper, i know, i am in europe now.

The quality of the obx lsd's seems to be good from what i hear, they are made from forged chromoly steel and they are outsourced to companies who are in the differential business, so its not like obx makes them inhouse

I just wanted to post this and see what kind of feedback we can get...us FWD people need some sort of way to put traction down, and most of us are too scared to run slicks on a stock diff....so this kind of info is always good to hear


nazthug
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btw, the honda guy is now building a second block, a dart block, aiming for the 9's

I have videos and specs on his car for those who would like to see, its pretty badass...its a 99 hatch swap/turbo/nitrous, very impressive

I am hoping the release date is going to be accurate. I will have one in the neon as well before i hope, and it will get plenty of abuse too.

If i get any updates, i will post them. So far i just wanted to let you guys knows and see what the interest is like in these.

They are a helical gear lsd just like the quaife btw.

nazthug
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wow i totally forgot about this thread


ok, did any of you guys get that MASSIVE package from OBX? I go this BOX with about 5 huge catalogues in it, i dont get it


I have no idea what obx is about and what kind of company they are, but these catalogues were MASSIVE they have parts for ANYTHING and everything, they even have cast BLOCKS AND HEADS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This company went from another ebay name to something HUGE, i have no idea what kind of operation they are running, but i have never seen anything on this scale before, parts from HUmmers, to corvettes, to porsches to civics...wheels, engines, cams, FMIC's, suspension, intake manifolds, camber kits, even fittings, all seem to be replicas of the already existing products

here is what this company does as i see it:

They take already existing products, copy them with 20% difference to be legal(material weight, style, color) and market it as their own stuff, nothing wrong with this really as it keeps their costs DOWN so much because copying and RD are HUGE differences

Their LSD's are made in europe, and i have a good idea of who is making it for them, a very respected european tranny builder, and this is why its cheaper, they already have a design, no RD costs, just make them

But i am totally stumped on OBX, if you guys saw these catalogues, you would shit your pants, they have MILLIONS of parts, i dont even know how the company is run to make these many parts for these many applications, but all the parts are copies of other companies designs, but as long as the quality is good, im game since the prices are that much cheaper

Im totally stumped though, it would be interesting to do a thorough investigation on this company

The DSM LSD is in the catalogue as well, the Neon ones just finished, im assuming the DSM ones are on the way


nazthug
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i hate to say it, and its not a negative at all, its actually smart business, but there cant be much RD going on at OBX, they simply re-engineer products

I mean you cant tell me they develop their own stuff when you see the catalogue they sent me.

Earls fittings, EXACT replicas, blue and red and all.

They even have an exhaust for accords that DC came up with a few years back, that twin loop weird thing, where the pipes goes into the muffler,around, and back into it...dont tell me thats RD that OBX came up with..

Everything, absolutely everything OBX i can find you an exact same product from another company.

Again, its not a negative thing, its just a different way of doin business, and as long as the products are of high quality, more power to them, brings the prices down

nazthug
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phantom, here's a bit of advice, stop being such a salesguy and just talk openly

I understand you slang obx, nothin wrong with that, but there are some things that you gotta just be open about

I understand there are some designs you cant just make differnt every time, this is basic shit, no need to even try to use that as an excuse

Im talking about OBX literally taking EVERYSINGLE product out there and duplicating it

All this testing BS i keep hearing about...i am VERY sceptical about, dude, pick up that catalog, im sure you have it

Do you really think they test H2 hummer headers for fit and performance? Do you REALLY think they designed and tested a 2.5L boxer turbo header system that they sell? , give me a break, i KNOW they dont

They literaly have THOUSANDS of applications...no way in hell are all those tested, designed by using the actual car, performance tested and fit tested..absolutely not

This again may not be bad because they are COPYING existing products that have been proven....exact replicas....nothing new designed, they simple change just enough to get by legally...we all know this

OBX are a different breed of business people, i still would love to see how that company operates, its one hell of a business, i gotta give it to those guys....they pulled off something HUGE, out of no where

I remember like 5 years ago calling obx and some lady picked up the phone, sounded like in a house, and was callin what sounded like her son or something, just real ghetto....

things must have changed, but with al the applications they have, TRUE RD, design and FIT AND FINISH and performance results would have taken them 50 years to do, AT LEAST

So i dont really want to hear the stories about testing LSD's and having them on test cars and all this stuff, i just cant see it happening, and i feel like im being made a fool off when i hear that

To me its simple...they buy other companies products, they slice them up into millions of pieces, copy it exactly, and sell it...which again is OK, i wouldnt mind buying the product even....just as long as its done right

somethings you just cant copy simply by pulling it apart and having a metal expert go through the materials...some things are just too hard to copy, thats what scares me

them copying an exhaust or intake is one thing, them copying an LSD or intercooler core, or piston design is another

OBX has cast blocks and cranks for sale!!!!!!!!!!!! thats amazing...

I could be totally wrong on my assumptions, but its the only logical explanation I have<-QUOTE

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OK let me start off with this,, nazthug I have quoted everyword you've made to prove a point , first off you started this thread by lieing to the entire board stating that you spoke with some obx reprsasentatives whom would be making these lsd's for the dsm community. Then you dont post any links or contact information ,you just dissapear only to come back and mock ,wait even better give advise to a vendor whome whent out of his way to turn your lies into reality.

I really dont care what you have to say anymore nazthug and im pretty shure nobody likes you running your mouth off pretending your anything like jtmcinder to someone who mostlikely knows more about obx then your imaginary catalogue could ever tell you.

Again you lied and got alot of tuners interested ,you took off and never responded to e-mails and pm's yet you think you can talk down to someone else when that same said person is actually doing something about it.

Im not defending Mike he's a man and can take care of his own ,Im making shure everyone whom reads this thread knows that you lied about this entier obx has lsd's ready for dsm's thing, just so they know that all youve done is spread miss-information,done nothing but miss-inform other members.

I dont want to read what you think or what you heard or what you could have seen, if you dont have technical and logical and educational information to bring the table then dont post at all ok nazthug,,at all,and one more thing jtmcinder can back an argument up because he has an abundance of knowledge on the topics of lsd's ,(even though his argument was mostly moral) you on the other hand dont and no we dont drive neons so you cant even post your experiance with the obx models. Im very upset that you even have the balls to point fingers nazthug ,so now I point the finger at you.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/stfu.php

 

[kar king]

for mike
my two cents i find it amazing dude that you even take the time and reply to nonsense
dude theres no LSD made for the dsm guy from obx yet your going back and fourth for nothing i'm a business man aswell as you,and the last thing i do is waste time. if you know or have a feeling you could sell this then do it to it!!! you need no go ahead or permission from anyone. business is taking chances and shooting for the best. otherwise boring.

let's all understand OBX has parts but not your lsd
so let's stop pissing in the wind already and if you need an LSD
for your car you don't have to buy it from my company
theres already a few options!!!

thanks for the space and putting up with me!

 

[ACM]

George,
what helical centre LSD options are available from Kar King ?

Charles

for mike
my two cents i find it amazing dude that you even take the time and reply to nonsense
dude theres no LSD made for the dsm guy from obx yet your going back and fourth for nothing i'm a business man aswell as you,and the last thing i do is waste time. if you know or have a feeling you could sell this then do it to it!!! you need no go ahead or permission from anyone. business is taking chances and shooting for the best. otherwise boring.

let's all understand OBX has parts but not your lsd
so let's stop pissing in the wind already and if you need an LSD
for your car you don't have to buy it from my company
theres already a few options!!!

thanks for the space and putting up with me!

 

[damnslowtsi]

So what's happenning right now with OBX diff? Are you guys planning on making it? I 've really been waiting for a couple of months now and would hate to go with the more expensive version from someone else. I know my opinion is worth shit but I 'm gonna say anyway GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT. For that price I 'm sure you 'll get your fare share of the market. The market is out there. I personallly know several fwders locally who I 'm sure would jump on it.
Also there is no need to be apologetic for what you do. Look at the world. It is going that direction wether you want it or not. It is sad I agree but it is the fact of life. Give it a few years untill we are flooded with chinese toyotuhs and mazdais. Are you gonna ask smb. over there about R&D? Yea you may but you won't understand what their reply is.

 

[Phantomhp]

We do not have a confirmation of a yes or no but I have not got a decent amount of time to talk to the GM of OBX as he has been busy with the shipment of Neon lsd's coming in that we are getting sent out.

I am still mentioning things to him in some of our quick conversations but hopefully by the first of next week I will get a chance to really talk to him and let him know what needs to be made.

I will keep everyone posted.

Thanks,
Mike

 

[Revolution]

Hey guys good news the lsd's are made and are currently still in production because nobody knows exactly how many will be heading out.

So basically we need a list of serious buyers with the car specs and how many lsd's all together per indavidual. here is some info,,as more info comes to light it will be posted.

Now these lsd's if you havent been reading are replicad from the quafie lsd's. They are basically a Quaife replica so the same specs would apply.

Here is an application list:

1) LSD Mitsubishi Eclipse Non-Turbo Models. This model will cover:

A) 95-99 Eclipse Non-Turbo RS/GS which has the 420A engines
B) 95-99 Eagle Talon Non-Turbo Models (same as above engine)
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2)LSD for Mitsubishi Eclipse Turbo Models-
A) 89-99 Eclipse Turbo GST models which as the 4G63T engines
B) 89-97 Eagle Talon Turbo models which also has the 4G63T engines.
(not certain about the exact year, please check around first before posting).

Price on these will be will be $560 for a group price. MSRP runs $700. Let me know what you think but this is the info I have received so far.

I will start Revolution-> 1995 awd eagle talon tsi 4g63t I want to buy a front,center and rear lsd.

Guys remember the quafie counterparts cost :: This was quoted from rre's page.
Front Differential 90-99, AWD and FWD Eclipse Turbo models,89 Mirage Turbo, GVR-4 $1075
Front Differential '95-99 Non Turbo(Chrysler built transmission) $1200
Center Differential for '92-99 AWD Eclipse/GVR-4From manufacture date June '91 and newer only. $1350

So basically your buying a quafie replica with all the same specs and performance but thankfully with out the quafie price tag. Obx has been making replica quafies for the honda and neon crowd with great success.

 

[JiveMasterT]

whoa whoa, hold the phone here...

isnt obx the same as ssautochrome? look, im a college kid here, trying to pay for my dsm, and that make the prices of obx stuff appealing, but then the economics part of me says "do it right, do it once."

personally, im going to have to go with the real thing - the original. look, as an artist i think what they are doing is wrong. they are using work created by other companies and changing small things about them and then just reselling them. doesnt that sound totally ####ed to anyone!? i mean, i have held up the greddy upper intercooler pipes next to the obx pipes and they are identicle! the apex'i fmic is identicle! i get like really angry when i hear about obx. sure, it may be business, but it is totally messed up and eventually it will be their downfall when companies can no longer design new products because obx or ssautochrome or whatever is copying their stuff and i know it's not the greatest quality... i have stories of mufflers exploding and o2 housings being covered in rust from the factory, but i wont get into that.

 

[Phantomhp]

I understand your feelings and if you go through the post me and another member here have been through this discussion before. I just started on this here because another member got others hopes up these were coming out and then dropped off. Where as now, I have delivered and got results for the members here.

I will not sit and say that what OBX does is exactly right but it is what brings competition to the market. If one company never copied another company there would only be 1 brand and set of parts on the market. Our selection of parts would not be what it is and we would basically all be driving cars with the same mods and brands everybody else does.

SSautochrome isn't OBX but yet a business that is a dealer through OBX such as I. I am just not an ebay company.

These LSD's through OBX have been proven in honda models to hold up to 600hp+ with no problems at all. I understand wanting to stick with a quaife due to name but for half the price you can get the same performance. Then you would have extra money for more parts

Mike

 

[JiveMasterT]

I understand your feelings and if you go through the post me and another member here have been through this discussion before. I just started on this here because another member got others hopes up these were coming out and then dropped off. Where as now, I have delivered and got results for the members here.

I will not sit and say that what OBX does is exactly right but it is what brings competition to the market. If one company never copied another company there would only be 1 brand and set of parts on the market. Our selection of parts would not be what it is and we would basically all be driving cars with the same mods and brands everybody else does.

SSautochrome isn't OBX but yet a business that is a dealer through OBX such as I. I am just not an ebay company.

These LSD's through OBX have been proven in honda models to hold up to 600hp+ with no problems at all. I understand wanting to stick with a quaife due to name but for half the price you can get the same performance. Then you would have extra money for more parts

Mike

right right, i understand competition and stuff like that... i did take basic highschool business. according to the law, this is intellectual theft. if you design something and a company steals its design and modifies it just a little bit and charges a lot less then this essentially theft. that's why there is patents. do you understand that?

let me get into why this is bad. aside from the fact that it is morally wrong, it causes problems for both companies down the road. if a company like quaife designs something and another company steals the design and sells it for less then the company who originally designed the product then the company who originally designed the product loses sales and does not have enough money to stay in business or continue to innovate. what happens when obx sucks up all of their resource companies? like most parasites, when the host dies, so does the parasite. competition comes from innovation, not theft.

now, if obx was making stuff that was of the same quality as their host company then this would be the case. but they are not, so thats why the host company stays in business and continues to do well, because when someone breaks a bunch of mufflers or intakes, or headers, etc etc then they decide to go with something from a good named company. this is why you see threads about the obx/ssautochrome headers and other stuff like that on here. do they occasionally make a good quality product that i might even buy? yeah, they do. but their name is tarnished with a history of poor quality stuff. ask anyone that knows their stuff if they would rather have greddy or obx? apex'i or ssautochrome? hks or monza? well, i think you know where im going with this.

if this thing ever comes out id be curious to know what kind of punishment they go through before they snap. horsepower means nothing when you are looking to punish an LSD. it is all about the torque, and hondas are notorious for lacking that. i mean look at any high power honda car... it is like 1000 horsepower and 350 torque. id love to see how one of these things puts up with the punishment from a dsm. tell you what, my friend has got a nice one legged gst and im sure he could break that thing in like 10 runs. if you need someone for testing, lemme know and ill pass the word onto him.

 

[Phantomhp]

I do understand that....I do run and own a business so I do know how that works.

Some people do not have over $1,000 to lay down for an LSD either. If you do that is awsome but some people don't so that is why companies do that.

I am a quaife dealer as well and I went to quaife before about giving a group buy price on multiple sales and they turned it down. But they do know about OBX and what they do and said they can not do anything about it. They also said the only difference between theirs and obx is the cost of material and labor.

I am just doing what a dealer/retailer would do and bring to the market something that is in demand and yes some people do not agree with what OBX does but there is the demand for it. That is your supply and demand.

I agree with what you say so not defending OBX by any means just finishing up what was started by this post.

Sure, I might take you up on the offer to test one. If you break it great, lifetime warranty will provide a new one. If it holds up thats even better but I will keep you posted and might hit you up.

Mike

 

[Revolution]

Hey guys, first off many ppl can relate to the moral dilema when purchasing an item,but since many tuners have contributed their moral and ethical opinions in this thread then we should now refrain from further posting the same opinions over and over again.

I for one will not and cannot afford to pay out quafie's prices so buying a quafie spec lsd from another tuner member who just so happens to have a special relationship with obx shouldnt be a bad or wrong thing.

Like I said earlier if anybody is interested in purchasing an lsd " pm " myself with the info or Phantomhp or just add yoursaelf to the list.

#1 revolution 95 eagle talon awd tsi front ,center and rear lsd please.why buy one quafie lsd when I can buy three lsds for just a touch more.

 

[badbu68]

I'd buy a obx lsd for a 90 turbo fwd.

 

[damnslowtsi]

I need a fwd one as well. The car is a '90 fwd but I 'd get the one for a '93&up fwd so that I could use those newer a bit beefier axles.

..And those who are so ethically hurt I 'd say start another thread, seriously. I 'm not saying that I like a lot what is happenning these days but the 'process' has begun and nothing can seem to stop it so the choice is yours - join the new wave or keep on paying threefold and be a traditionalist.

 

[exzercist]

any word on how many obx lsd are made for the turbo eclipses? i really want a fwd one for my gst!

 

[ITSME4G63]

any word on how many obx lsd are made for the turbo eclipses? i really want a fwd one for my gst!

for awd 1g? do you guys produce front and rear and center diffs? Even if they are copies, In this case, even if the product is outsourced (which bothers me the most cause outsourcing is killing our country), I cant complain if their price on the diff is 60% cheaper. If they were making them like the company that makes teh evogt turbo and sells it for the same price as the original evo3 is, then Id complain. What I would ask for (and probably other members of dsmtuners too) is if you could donate 1 of your dsm lsds to a vendor or someone the rather who'd be able to compare teh obx lsd to the quaife (cuttit it open etcc) just to prove results that the obx is built just as good as the quiafe, not like that evogt crap. Thanks.

 

[exzercist]

i need one for a 2g.

 

[Revolution]

Please contact Phantomhp for any orders on the obx front lsd's.

Why live with wheel hop at launch and torque steer at 60 km/hr when you can get your car to perform like it was meant to ,a sports car.

 

[exzercist]

Please contact Phantomhp for any orders on the obx front lsd's.

Why live with wheel hop at launch and torque steer at 60 km/hr when you can get your car to perform like it was meant to ,a sports car.

i agree, thanks.